Marc, I think there are numerous variables, all highly important in the playback of vinyl. For example, the type of suspension system that the TT utilizes...or lack of. The motor and type, the arm to plinth fixing mechanism, the drive system and on and on. There are pluses and minuses to all types of drive system. Personally, I prefer a belt drive with suspension...which is why I am a 'Linnie'.
If one listens to the various motor control systems that are available for the Linn, there is a considerable difference in SQ between the entry level Majik system, the upgraded stand alone Lingo system and finally the Radikal D system. Like I said, everything matters---Improve speed control and the SQ increases. Improve isolation, same thing, etc, etc.
I'm going to draw down on only mentioning my Salvation, the Monaco and the Saskia, otherwise this thread will just get into a blind alley.
I'm really surprised, and disappointed, that other than me and Keith, noone is commenting on moving to dd/idler/rim from belt.
Maybe Audio Asylum or Pink Fish are the forums for these!
My contention remains that I've made the right choice, since I deeply believe high torque/high inertia combined w/good speed stability lends that extra edge of dynamics to the other presentations I'm more used to, and I'm putting this down to the ability to keep pushing thru stylus drag and maintain consistency over shorter periods of time, w. l/t speed drift much less of an issue audibly.
Peter, this one is for you. The original Timeline concept;
david
I'm really surprised, and disappointed, that other than me and Keith, noone is commenting on moving to dd/idler/rim from belt.
Thanks Win, that was very informative. My question now is: Can one hear a difference during this 20 minute stabilization period? Marc seems to imply that he can because he does not listen during this time. I may check to see if my Sutherland TimeLine can show a speed variation between immediate start up and half an our later. I would think that component and lubricant temperature would not change enough to matter when stopping the platter to flip over a record. Marc writes that he keeps the platter spinning and I have read many other people do the same.
Could you elaborate on your statement about the differences between rim and idler drives?
Peter, this one is for you. The original Timeline concept;
david
Great movie.
BTW, my Edison phonograph is belt driven and uses a leather belt - perhaps I should try a tape belt or modify it for rim drive. Then it should sound better than your EMT 927!
Obviously I have different arms and carts going on each table, so it's difficult to give a truly objective comparison...
Of course you can, the differences between these tables is too pronounced to miss over time specially when you're living with them long term and the other variables are known quantities and in your case.
david
The only way to truly compare is if the same arm and cartridge are fitted to each table, and each played through the very same system at the same time.
Keith.
The only way to truly compare is if the same arm and cartridge are fitted to each table, and each played through the very same system at the same time.
Keith.
Well which is it gentleman? Such is the complexity of this hobby I suppose. Let's say I hear clear differences, I can generalize to the way they each do what they do, but without a "scientific" method it's technically just conjecture. Basically I know what the differences are, I simply can't prove what the differences are.
If you are evaluating the contribution of one particular component, then all the others have to kept the same, I would have thought that obvious.
Keith.
The only direct comparison I have been able to conduct here ,was two identical turntables, two identical tonearms ,but two different Dynavector cartridges, regarding the Monaco I only claim that it measures better than anything else.
FYI I had to write to Alvin for five years before he allowed me to represent GPA.
Keith
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