Problems with believability in audio

[sbo6]

^That^ seems largely untrue based upon all the threads with high distortion equipment, and the dearth of distortion specs on the majority of gear… and the fact that almost all of the people will swear upon stacks of bibles, torahs, Qurans, as well as Hindu and Nepalese texts that their systems are “super bitchen”

However I agree with you, and would add compression - which I suppose is also a distortion - as are all the time domain distortions.

Well done sir!

There should be an award for best non - audiophile descriptor - "super bitchen'", I love it!

 

[tima]

I have to agree, it gets a little tiresome. By now they have made me sure i will never buy a horn system, especially not with SET tube amps ! And i will never listen to "live unamplified music "again in my life, in fear of becoming like them !

Booga Booga

 

[Ron Resnick]

If a speaker can reproduce the source signal accurately with very low distortion and at the listener's preferred listening level, what role does the music type play?

This might be the right question if the purpose of the hobby were to watch an oscilloscope display.

But this technical focused question has little to do with the propagation of sound in air by loudspeakers.

 

[Holmz]

There should be an award for best non - audiophile descriptor - "super bitchen'", I love it!

Yeah but people know what it is.
Most of the terms get debated as to their meaning.

This might be the right question if the purpose of the hobby were to watch an oscilloscope display.

What is the purpose of the hobby?
(or “what are the purposes” … plural?)

 

[Ron Resnick]

What is the purpose of the hobby?
(or “what are the purposes” … plural?)

The four primary objectives I have discussed in numerous other threads. (Search for "objectives of high-end audio.")

 

[treitz3]

4? There are many other parameters. When you know, you know.

Tom

 

[bonzo75]

i will never buy a horn system, especially not with SET tube amps ! And i will never listen to "live unamplified music "again in my life,

While you are at it, also avoid good food, exercise, and women.

You will qualify to be a saint

 

[andromedaaudio]

Good morning .

For a change i did go trough Tom martins sum up .

While others will obviously disagree .
I ve met all parameters to my satisfaction.


Not with his last point though " digitisation ".

This is unsolvable to certain extent.

But since we all interpret what we hear differently discussion is kinda useless

 

[Lagonda]

While you are at it, also avoid good food, exercise, and women.

You will qualify to be a saint

I have been doing that for years already, no halo has appeared !

 

[bonzo75]

I have been doing that for years already, no halo has appeared !

That’s because you have a tube phono and analog. Go full digital. You need to go all the way

 

[tima]

While you are at it, also avoid good food, exercise, and women.

You will qualify to be a saint

Saint Lagonda of the Earhorn.
It does have a certain 'ring' to it, eh?

 

[Holmz]

The four primary objectives I have discussed in numerous other threads. (Search for "objectives of high-end audio.")

OK - but the search result list was somewhat reminiscent of the start of a scavenger hunt.
(However - I do recall “Intent” being mentioned.)

If the system is highly coloured, then it would seem like it may favour some musical genre more.
And one that is more transparent, and less distorted, would be more unbiased.

It seems worth pointing out the @sbo6 post again.

No, it's not and that's half the problem. This thread is filled with, "It depends on what your meaning of Is, is?"

At least “super bitchen” is a term that seems to have an unambiguous meaning.

It's called the black box approach. Noone needs to know every engineering detail; they need to be satisfied with the product's performance.

I'll type it in even simpler terms - If a speaker can reproduce the source signal accurately with very low distortion and at the listener's preferred listening level, what role does the music type play?

Booga Booga

I’m 90% sure that ^that^ is a line out of the “Gran Torino” movie.

 

[sbo6]

This might be the right question if the purpose of the hobby were to watch an oscilloscope display.

But this technical focused question has little to do with the propagation of sound in air by loudspeakers.

Ron, black box - I'll simplify it even more - if Speaker X and speaker Y are designed very well (say within min acceptable "distortions" tolerances), then why would a speaker design favor a music genre?

 

[andromedaaudio]

The AS article misses one point .
And that is resolution .

Really high Rez gear which is very rare lets you connect with the music

Most is just mediocre

 

[PeterA]

The AS article misses one point .
And that is resolution .

Really high Rez gear which is very rare lets you connect with the music

Most is just mediocre

And yet many connect with the music in their cars or at a diner over the jukeboxes. I actually think the highest resolution is not as important as other factors like dynamics, energy, tone, presence, or flow for connection to the music. If a system can do all of that, it doesn’t matter the typology.

 

[PeterA]

Ron, black box - I'll simplify it even more - if Speaker X and speaker Y are designed very well (say within min acceptable "distortions" tolerances), then why would a speaker design favor a music genre?

I agree with you. In this sense, it doesn’t matter and if a speaker can get that high bar, the speaker doesn’t favor a type of music. But the reality is the most speakers do not hit that high bar, so people make their choices.

 

[Rexp]

The AS article misses one point .
And that is resolution .

Really high Rez gear which is very rare lets you connect with the music

Most is just mediocre

Resolution is kinda covered by imaging, only high resolution systems reveal the imaging embedded in good recordings.

 

[Rexp]

Ron, black box - I'll simplify it even more - if Speaker X and speaker Y are designed very well (say within min acceptable "distortions" tolerances), then why would a speaker design favor a music genre?

Ideally all components/systems would sound the same, ie like the original music, we're way off that.

 

[sbo6]

I agree with you. In this sense, it doesn’t matter and if a speaker can get that high bar, the speaker doesn’t favor a type of music. But the reality is the most speakers do not hit that high bar, so people make their choices.

Possibly, it may be a technology limitation for now, and as such, people chose based on these limits and their sonic flavor based on musical genre taste.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Scientists build 3D 'audio dome' with such high-fidelity speakers it tricks your ears that you're at the source

New research has revealed that a domed array of loudspeakers can create virtual soundscapes capable of blurring human perception.

www.livescience.com