Problems with believability in audio
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Elliot G.
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fellow believer haha no Tootsie'sYou need the "Pure Platinum" horn with the "Solid Gold" stand !
Sad…and I thought we had grown so close…I have to agree, it gets a little tiresome.
The one that sounds extremely good on a broad range of music with the amplifiers of my choice for my room.
Agreed. Not unlike other topics discussed on WBF. But it is good theater.
Agreed, we should revert to like 5 years ago when elitism on this forum was only flashing price badge, Nordost ODIN type cables and pictures of gear
And horns of the type that classic music lovers prefer, are both too limited in the bass response and too bright/ honest in the treble for the majority of modern music. Music that has never been recorded, mixed or mastered with horn speakers and SET amps. This music has almost always been recorded using conventional dynamic speakers with SS amps. Yes type of music you listen to can definitely steer you towards a speaker/amp type.
Are you claiming that a high-end speaker system should be able to play deep bass electronica? I thought that was only for rave parties
Define accuracy for a speaker and what do you mean by distortion? Linear distortion, non-linear distortion, resonances, cone breakup ??? On and off axis dispersion; what is the right pattern? I could go on but your one dimensional “accurate “ and one dimensional “distortion “ require a much deeper dive or else the statements are meaningless.
Is a point source the right answer…or a line source or an omni-directional or a dipolar “figure eight” the most accurate way to project sound into a room? Maybe the Bose 901 10/90 split is more accurate?
For the point around dynamics, it is clear that high sensitivity speakers, which is usually but not always horns, are the unequivocal champions. Many horns fall behind other design concepts for other problems….but not all of them.
It is my opinion though that the greatest single barrier to realistic sound is dynamics, both macro and micro. It’s simply physics.
Long long time ago in a far away land , i thought audiophila was simply " Listening to/ enjoying Music "
Oh boy what was i wromg
Oh boy what was i wromg
And horns of the type that classic music lovers prefer, are both too limited in the bass response and too bright/ honest in the treble for the majority of modern music. Music that has never been recorded, mixed or mastered with horn speakers and SET amps. This music has almost always been recorded using conventional dynamic speakers with SS amps. Yes type of music you listen to can definitely steer you towards a speaker/amp type.
Milan, I did not mention horns in my post. And I agree some speaker types are better than others for some music. But the very best in each type have the fewest compromises and likely sound better on a broader range of music. Interesting point about speakers and amps used for mixing and mastering.
You silly boy. What's listening to / enjoying music have anything to do with audio? Blasphemy!
But you see, some distortions are more important than others. Tests on a wide population have shown that, so it is an incontrovertible objective fact of human psychoacoustics. You see, there is no subjective deviation from such fact possible. And you see, anyone who claims subjective inclinations otherwise, is objectively wrong.
You see, that's how it goes on this forum. Objectively.
That's why you need SETs/horns. Objectively.
Yes, and it is the most difficult and most expensive to achieve. Therefore most speaker manufacturers are focusing on other areas.
You spend 30 minutes in a room with FM acoustics and didnt like it .( same room 2 weeks ago that i heard )
First of all this was super dynamic , secondly it has resolution second to none .
Suffice to say : Yes we definitively hear very very differently
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