Problems with believability in audio

[matthias]

You spend 30 minutes in a room with FM acoustics and didnt like it .( same room 2 weeks ago that i heard )
First of all this was super dynamic , secondly it has resolution second to none .

Suffice to say : Yes we definitively hear very very differently

No super dynamic, there was compression and distorsion at high volume. No comparison to Silbatone, it is a pity that you missed this room.

 

[Holmz]

What should I have for dinner---------------- Horns
What should I wear tonight--------------------horns
What car should I drive-----------------------------horns
Who should I sleep with -----------------------------horns
what color is the sky----------------------------------horns

LOL it never ends . One thing for sure you need to listen to the broken record as well

Derick and Clive ———— Get the Horn

 

[morricab]

Any and all distortion that's relevant to the quality of sound.

This is a meaningless response…try again?

 

[morricab]

You silly boy. What's listening to / enjoying music have anything to do with audio? Blasphemy!

Go read my OP so you know what the thread is about and then try to contribute…

 

[morricab]

But you see, some distortions are more important than others. Tests on a wide population have shown that, so it is an incontrovertible objective fact of human psychoacoustics. You see, there is no subjective deviation from such fact possible. And you see, anyone who claims subjective inclinations otherwise, is objectively wrong.

You see, that's how it goes on this forum. Objectively.

That's why you need SETs/horns. Objectively.

No, you objectively (if you accept the initial problem statements) need a system with realistic dynamics…this limits your choice of speaker greatly. And if you try to tell me your speakers somehow defy physics…well you are objectively wrong. What you amplify with will affect other problems that are on the list (although they affect dynamics too)…as will the speakers.
This has nothing to do with whether or not you like how your speakers sound…this thread isn’t about that.

 

[morricab]

Yes, and it is the most difficult and most expensive to achieve. Therefore most speaker manufacturers are focusing on other areas.

Precisely, or perhaps they fail to understand this concept. After all , there is enough heavily compressed music out there to help mask the issues that most systems have with dynamics…and hey, I enjoy a lot of that kind of music too.

 

[morricab]

No super dynamic, there was compression and distorsion at high volume. No comparison to Silbatone, it is a pity that you missed this room.

Totally agree…this was harsh sounding at higher volumes.

 

[tima]

As for other examples, not everything needs to be named. Unless you want the eruption of personal fights that inevitably will cause this thread to be shut down.

The wise thing to do is talk for yourself and not for others.

 

[sbo6]

This is a meaningless response…try again?

No, it's not and that's half the problem. This thread is filled with, "It depends on what your meaning of Is, is?"

It's called the black box approach. Noone needs to know every engineering detail; they need to be satisfied with the product's performance.

I'll type it in even simpler terms - If a speaker can reproduce the source signal accurately with very low distortion and at the listener's preferred listening level, what role does the music type play?

 

[sbo6]

No, you objectively (if you accept the initial problem statements) need a system with realistic dynamics…this limits your choice of speaker greatly. And if you try to tell me your speakers somehow defy physics…well you are objectively wrong. What you amplify with will affect other problems that are on the list (although they affect dynamics too)…as will the speakers.
This has nothing to do with whether or not you like how your speakers sound…this thread isn’t about that.

Here's a friendly tip - don't go into Marketing or Sales. ;-)

 

[PeterA]

People unable to convey their point normally need a horn

Rent free

 

[PeterA]

No, it's not and that's half the problem. This thread is filled with, "It depends on what your meaning of Is, is?"

It's called the black box approach. Noone needs to know every engineering detail; they need to be satisfied with the product's performance.

I'll type it in even simpler terms - If a speaker can reproduce the source signal accurately with very low distortion and at the listener's preferred listening level, what role does the music type play?

I can think of extension and scale for starters.

 

[Lagonda]

No, it's not and that's half the problem. This thread is filled with, "It depends on what your meaning of Is, is?"

It's called the black box approach. Noone needs to know every engineering detail; they need to be satisfied with the product's performance.

I'll type it in even simpler terms - If a speaker can reproduce the source signal accurately with very low distortion and at the listener's preferred listening level, what role does the music type play?

Most modern music has been produced with system that are not absolutely neutral and a lot of it is going to sound like shit on you true to source system. That is one of the reasons your preference for music will affect your speaker choice, some speaker types handle shitty sounding recordings better than others.

 

[morricab]

No, it's not and that's half the problem. This thread is filled with, "It depends on what your meaning of Is, is?"

It's called the black box approach. Noone needs to know every engineering detail; they need to be satisfied with the product's performance.

I'll type it in even simpler terms - If a speaker can reproduce the source signal accurately with very low distortion and at the listener's preferred listening level, what role does the music type play?

Let me try again…if three speakers, one an omni, one a line source and one a point source and all reproduce the sound exactly as they were designed to do, which of those is more accurate to the source signal? They all disperse sound into the room very differently from each other. Some designers will claim one of these distorts the sound compared to his “accurate” speaker.

 

[tima]

That's a silly statement. One immediately comes to mind. Others run a close second. Of course, that is my subjective opinion.

okay . . . guess I have not had that experience. let me know when you run across the person who thinks their opinion is true for all.

 

[sbo6]

I can think of extension and scale for starters.

I thought you were strictly for staying on point? Maybe go back to sleep? ;-)

 

[PeterA]

I thought you were strictly for staying on point? Maybe go back to sleep? ;-)

Sorry, I was looking at it from the speaker’s point of view. You covered that in your question, the premise of which was that only some speakers are under consideration: those they can in fact reproduce the whole source signal without distortion. That might be a very small list of speakers.

 

[sbo6]

Let me try again…if three speakers, one an omni, one a line source and one a point source and all reproduce the sound exactly as they were designed to do, which of those is more accurate to the source signal? They all disperse sound into the room very differently from each other. Some designers will claim one of these distorts the sound compared to his “accurate” speaker.

You proved my point, all or none are best for any type of music. There is no one definitive loudspeaker design that's best for any genre of music.

 

[thedudeabides]

Go read my OP so you know what the thread is about and then try to contribute…

You continue to amaze me with your apparent arrogance and disrespect for others who don't tow your little line. Well done. My on topic perspective. I concur with Elliot. You try to quantify an emotional experience and break it up into tiny pseudo intellectual parts. Listening to music is not, at least for me, a lab experiment where the subject manner is dissected under a microscope. It's a flippin hobby meant to provide joy, not mental consternation. Bye.

 

[Holmz]

No, it's not and that's half the problem. This thread is filled with, "It depends on what your meaning of Is, is?"

It's called the black box approach. Noone needs to know every engineering detail; they need to be satisfied with the product's performance.

I'll type it in even simpler terms - If a speaker can reproduce the source signal accurately with very low distortion and at the listener's preferred listening level, what role does the music type play?

^That^ seems largely untrue based upon all the threads with high distortion equipment, and the dearth of distortion specs on the majority of gear… and the fact that almost all of the people will swear upon stacks of bibles, torahs, Qurans, as well as Hindu and Nepalese texts that their systems are “super bitchen”

However I agree with you, and would add compression - which I suppose is also a distortion - as are all the time domain distortions.

Well done sir!