No, for the listening chair I did not like the Freedom chair as much as this kind of thing. I still use a Freedom chair in my office in the loft.
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Thank you for your kind good wishes!
But a 300% improvement by changing preamps? Three times more convincing that somebody live is in my room singing to me?
Please stay where you are. The Hyperbole Police will be arriving shortly.
Might be objectively 20% but subjectively 300%… as in you won’t be able to go backThank you for your kind good wishes!
But a 300% improvement by changing preamps? Three times more convincing that somebody live is in my room singing to me?
Please stay where you are. The Hyperbole Police will be arriving shortly.
[please forgive my poor English]
I haven't read the 392 pages of this thread, so I'm a bit lost, but I saw the arrival of the Gryphon Pendragon, and yesterday I saw the Clarysis. I remember you tried an Aries Cerat Incito S preamplifier that did not give gain enough in your system. So I guess it must have been a low gain version (for other members who may not know: the Incito S can indeed be ordered either in low gain or high gain version).
If this is a new/on trial preamplifier, I guess it should be a high gain version this time.
But which model? As @morricab says, the wooden crate seems big for an Incito S and its separate PS (Hifi-Advice: Incito S & Helene DAC). So maybe a 2-chassis preamp like the Impera Signature? (Aries Cerat preamplifiers compared – Incito S and Impera Reference).
Now I gonna Watch this thread, for sure ;-)
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So , which model is it?Thank you for your kind good wishes!
But a 300% improvement by changing preamps? Three times more convincing that somebody live is in my room singing to me?
Please stay where you are. The Hyperbole Police will be arriving shortly.
Since I ve installed a new Mastersound tube preamp (and replaced factory tubes with the true NOS diamond Telefunken tubes) in place of very highly "Class A" rated solid state preamps (both active and a passive units) in my system couple of years back, it takes ALOT of will power on my part to attend concerts at the Carnegie Hall. Yes, I know, let the flame throwing commence...., but the degree of a sheer emotional involvement that a great tube preamp will bring to your system, in my view can be "measured" as a total system improvement by a factor of 3.
Imho of course
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[please forgive my poor English]
And regarding the "objectively 20% but subjectively 300%" upgrade, it all depends on the gear you came from (which I ignore; I guess from a very good one).
Nevertheless, years ago when I gave the Incito a try at home, just out of curiosity, I wasn't prepared for that unsettling comparison, as I thought that it wouldn't better the YBA 1 with dedicated PS I owned at that time.
Despite the fact that I initially had no intention at all to buy any new gear, after a few piano bars, I had decided to buy the Incito (I attended 46 classical concerts this season, it helps).
And regarding the "objectively 20% but subjectively 300%" upgrade, it all depends on the gear you came from (which I ignore; I guess from a very good one).
Nevertheless, years ago when I gave the Incito a try at home, just out of curiosity, I wasn't prepared for that unsettling comparison, as I thought that it wouldn't better the YBA 1 with dedicated PS I owned at that time.
Despite the fact that I initially had no intention at all to buy any new gear, after a few piano bars, I had decided to buy the Incito (I attended 46 classical concerts this season, it helps).
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Well don't forget I had the low gain Incito S in my system for months, thanks to Robert Neill. This new one with appropriate gain for my system will only sound better.Might be objectively 20% but subjectively 300%… as in you won’t be able to go back
But honestly one of my pet peeves in the industry is grossly hyperbolic fake quantification of subjective sonic improvement.
I totally agree with the ~ 20% improvement. That's the number I would come up with myself.
Thank you for the good wishes!
In this hobby, a very small improvement is often enough to make you not want to go back to what was. Any improvement is an addiction.
Deep… So there are other hobbies where small improvements are small improvements but in audio a small improvement is not a small improvement…
Anyway, it’s good to know that spending 50.000$ on a component offers only a very small improvement that is in fact a very big improvement.
Here’s a guide to qualifying improvements;
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20% could easily be the difference between daily bliss and almost never listening, thus the subjective impact of a 20% improvement can be much larger in terms of system use and pleasure.
To Hopkins. RE Post 7842.
Thank you for posting "Audio Philosphy". I am only through the "musical and involving" discussion but and even when you disagree, it is an extremely well written and serious attempt to demystify the hi end audio lexicon.
Thank you for posting "Audio Philosphy". I am only through the "musical and involving" discussion but and even when you disagree, it is an extremely well written and serious attempt to demystify the hi end audio lexicon.
Thank you for your kind good wishes!
But a 300% improvement by changing preamps? Three times more convincing that somebody live is in my room singing to me?
Please stay where you are. The Hyperbole Police will be arriving shortly.
It is not clear if your previous preamp had the right gain or incorrect gain. If the current preamp is correcting it, then the improvement between right and wrong can't be expressed in precentages, it is infinity. If your previous preamp was the right fit, than a higher model might only be a small improvement.
They are still held up trying to force the guy who said a reference recordings LP is sonically the best ever, to leave his house with his hands held high in the air (he currently has them in his ears and is threatening to press them in harder should the cops make a move)
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