Modern speakers vs Vintage speakers

[dwhistance]

I did read one post of someone using a tad without crossover from very low. Was this the one without a crossover?

No, certainly not without a crossover. I’ll try to dig out the details as I can’t remember them now - at the time I was lucky enough to have a big room and his setup was optimised for his much smaller space so I went with something else. Looking back I was both naive and stupid and fixated on “bigger is better”. If I had been more sensible I would have followed his advice and enjoyed better sound at lower cost.

 

[bonzo75]

No, certainly not without a crossover. I’ll try to dig out the details as I can’t remember them now - at the time I was lucky enough to have a big room and his setup was optimised for his much smaller space so I went with something else. Looking back I was both naive and stupid and fixated on “bigger is better”. If I had been more sensible I would have followed his advice and enjoyed better sound at lower cost.

With horns bigger is better

 

[thomask]

Accuphase DG-68 Digital Voicing Equalizer​

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It seems that JVS had been fascinated with Accuphase DG-68 Digital Voicing Equalizer .

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I had been usin DG-28 model since 2001.

This weekend I will bring DG-28 down to second floor ( I have only few items left on third floor including my headphone set up and etc).

Altec A7 gave enough signal at 31.5 hz, but only faint rumbling at 25hz, 20hz, when I tested Stereophile test disc.

I may try to have A7 to give deeper bass and more flat response through all frequency.

I set up DG-28 last night after 11PM.

Using the mike, it scans 64 frequencies and then adjust the spectrum in the digital domain.

It has 4 pre sets so that I can choose the adjusted results for 4 different speakers.

Lansche 4.1 tends to sound sweet and warm but after room equlaization, it's sounds get sharper and crispy.

The result with Altec A7 is very satisfactory.

A7 tend to be a little bit too aggressive in the treble.

I mean it give slight harsh edge from time to time.

But room correction and equalization through DG-28 seems to ameliorate such harsh edge.

After equalization, Heifetz' s violin sounds warm and full freshed.

But without equalization, his viloin sounds somewhat metallic.

After equalization, the bass seems to be little bit tighter and more extended but not a day and night difference.


To conclude, I am happy with equalization on Altec A7.

The most pronounced effect is to get the treble clean and make violin sounds warm and full freshed.

 

[morricab]

Open Baffle - Interesting suggestion.

However, I'm afraid open baffles have much greater room and placement requirements in terms of distance from the back wall and side wall and to listener. Even the nature of the walls (smooth or diffusion) is likely to be important - at least that's how one electrostatic manufacturer explained it to me. In the case of horns, the distance to the rear wall and to the side wall should play a much more subordinate role, including the nature of the walls. Or am I mistaken?

Best regards
Verdier

Dipoles can actually be placed quite close to side walls without serious issues because the figure 8 dispersion pattern minimizes the first reflection point. If it is a tall line source like a big electrostat, then both floor and ceiling bounce are largely eliminated as well. I found a distance of 1.0- 1.2 meters from the wall behind the speakers (oddly often called the front wall) works quite well for bass cancellation issues and spacious sound.

 

[thomask]

I set up DG-28 last night after 11PM.

Using the mike, it scans 64 frequencies and then adjust the spectrum in the digital domain.

It has 4 pre sets so that I can choose the adjusted results for 4 different speakers.

Lansche 4.1 tends to sound sweet and warm but after room equlaization, it's sounds get sharper and crispy.

The result with Altec A7 is very satisfactory.

A7 tend to be a little bit too aggressive in the treble.

I mean it give slight harsh edge from time to time.

But room correction and equalization through DG-28 seems to ameliorate such harsh edge.

After equalization, Heifetz' s violin sounds warm and full freshed.

But without equalization, his viloin sounds somewhat metallic.

After equalization, the bass seems to be little bit tighter and more extended but not a day and night difference.


To conclude, I am happy with equalization on Altec A7.

The most pronounced effect is to get the treble clean and make violin sounds warm and full freshed.

I also tested frequency extension using Stereophie test disc tracks.

Before Eq, useful signal until 31.5 hz, only faint rumbling at 25hz and 20hz.

After Eq, useful signal until 31.5 hz and at 25hz , only faint rumbling 20hz.

Thus I do not need subwoofer with A7 in my room.

 

[PeterA]

I set up DG-28 last night after 11PM.

Using the mike, it scans 64 frequencies and then adjust the spectrum in the digital domain.

It has 4 pre sets so that I can choose the adjusted results for 4 different speakers.

Lansche 4.1 tends to sound sweet and warm but after room equlaization, it's sounds get sharper and crispy.

The result with Altec A7 is very satisfactory.

A7 tend to be a little bit too aggressive in the treble.

I mean it give slight harsh edge from time to time.

But room correction and equalization through DG-28 seems to ameliorate such harsh edge.

After equalization, Heifetz' s violin sounds warm and full freshed.

But without equalization, his viloin sounds somewhat metallic.

After equalization, the bass seems to be little bit tighter and more extended but not a day and night difference.


To conclude, I am happy with equalization on Altec A7.

The most pronounced effect is to get the treble clean and make violin sounds warm and full freshed.

Not sure I prefer the EQ on the Heifetz. Also, what is that faint clicking sound throughout the recording? Sounds like a movie real or something.

 

[thomask]

Not sure I prefer the EQ on the Heifetz. Also, what is that faint clicking sound throughout the recording? Sounds like a movie real or something.

Clicking sound is from my chair moving.

I can switch back to uneq with touch of button.

Personally I prefer equalized Heifetz but it is up to personal taste.

But with Queens' rock music, equalization seems to tame the sound too much.

I may prefer to play rock music without equalization.

 

[thomask]

will definitely sound better, but somehow the driver lacks soul in the music.
Back to vintage speaker when you listen most time classical music, buy a Studer A727Cd a little set tube amp and fieldcoil speaker.
Amazing clarity in the tones,you will get a lot tears of joy and goosebumps.

I wish to get field coil driver inside horn.

Western vintage will be first choice, but other vintage one will be also considered.

 

[thomask]

I set up DG-28 last night after 11PM.

Using the mike, it scans 64 frequencies and then adjust the spectrum in the digital domain.

It has 4 pre sets so that I can choose the adjusted results for 4 different speakers.

Lansche 4.1 tends to sound sweet and warm but after room equlaization, it's sounds get sharper and crispy.

The result with Altec A7 is very satisfactory.

A7 tend to be a little bit too aggressive in the treble.

I mean it give slight harsh edge from time to time.

But room correction and equalization through DG-28 seems to ameliorate such harsh edge.

After equalization, Heifetz' s violin sounds warm and full freshed.

But without equalization, his viloin sounds somewhat metallic.

After equalization, the bass seems to be little bit tighter and more extended but not a day and night difference.


To conclude, I am happy with equalization on Altec A7.

The most pronounced effect is to get the treble clean and make violin sounds warm and full freshed.

DG28 is connected between music server and Dac with minimal loss of details and timber.

 

[DasguteOhr]

I wish to get field coil driver inside horn.

Western vintage will be first choice, but other vintage one will be also considered.

I wish could hear lansings masterpiece 4116

Or WE 555 Horn...

 

[DasguteOhr]

I love Nick Cave and his Voice...my openbaffle sorry hand held tablet

 

[thomask]

I wish could hear lansings masterpiece 4116

Or WE 555 Horn...

I had been listeining to my friend's Westren Electric horn system last 20 years.

He will build public Westren Electric horn system museum later next year with budget of 200 million USD.

His father died early this year with 250million USD bequethed to public foundation for audio system.


You may drop in it if you have chance to visit Seoul later next year.

I wish to have one of Westren Electric horn system myself.

About 2 years ago, one system in neat condition came to the market with price tag of 250k usd.

But I could not afford it at that time.

I had better save cash for the next good one.

 

[DasguteOhr]

I wanted to go to the south of France this year to hear it, unfortunately the good man suddenly passed away. a bricked bass horn.

You can buy a WE 555 Replica in wood with driver at Hornsolution ,Germany

Hornsolutions creates the extraordinary. Western Electric horns

Hornsolutions, the perfect synthesis of the past and the future in horn design and development. Western Electric replicas adapted to the latest hifi standards

www.hornsolutions.de

 

[thomask]

I added this Fostex supertweeter to Altec A7

Fostex T925A Top Mount Horn Super Tweeter

Hi-end Fostex Japan! Fostex T925A horn super tweeter is designed to sit on top of your existing speaker. The tweeter is 108dB and can be used from 5,000Hz to 40,000Hz. The tweeter features an Alnico magnet.

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I had kept them for 20 years since I had used to supplement for full range speakers.

They sound much more open and extended with nice decay.

 

[thomask]

It sound much more clear and open now.

I may not need Western Electric after all unless i am greedy.

This system sounds good enough to me with clean treble and effortless dynamics.

 

[the sound of Tao]

You know you deserve Western Electric Thomas…

 

[the sound of Tao]

Hartsfields also look good… just sayin

 

[thomask]

You know you deserve Western Electric Thomas…

It cost lot of money and effort to tune it properly.

Her voice sounds clear and gorgeous.

 

[MarcelNL]

if looking for WE I'd go here: https://13audio.com/

 

[PeterA]

Will you keep those other speakers in the middle of the room?