I was referring to your post which was apparently directed at Torus making proper measurements, not my measurements or me making measurements.
I thought you were implying that the curves Torus provided needed more explanation.
Isolation Transformer and Balanced Power versus PS Audio Regenerator
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I thought you were implying that the curves Torus provided needed more explanation.
Given that PS regens radically change sound based on the cord between the wall and them, what they measure like really means nothing to me with this attribute.
Ears can confuse you too, in a way. That is because people associate what they hear with things that don't make sense. What sounds right is good for the listener but their logic may be formally inept to explain it.
I would assume Torus published data is correct. Too easy to test. Lying would not help them. And Atmasphere indicated not all Toroid cores are the same. And Torus has the Narrow Bandwidth Technology.
Sometimes I do wonder about multiple small filters vs one large filter. I believe multiple branch circuits are a benefit. So do you use multiple filters. And if you use multiple filters, do you stick with one technology like people do with power cords.
Sometimes I do wonder about multiple small filters vs one large filter. I believe multiple branch circuits are a benefit. So do you use multiple filters. And if you use multiple filters, do you stick with one technology like people do with power cords.
I was on a commercial job today. I think a single phase to 3 phase converter is messing up the power at the site. I have to confirm after the equipment can be shut off. But that made me look for a solution which lead to a rotary power converter. Basically a motor that runs on 240 single phase, then kicks back a 3rd phase that is synced to the initial 2 phases. That made me wonder again about rotary power supplies. The 3rd phase this device sends back is a stand alone newly generated phase. It could be tapped off and combined with the neutral for a new clean phase. The issues is the utility neutral is still in use and much noise still remains.
But what if you got a generator motor like this and attached a drive motor to it with a belt. A completely isolated power supply.
But what if you got a generator motor like this and attached a drive motor to it with a belt. A completely isolated power supply.
Any view of these? There’s plenty of published data on their website
www.onfilter.com
They also make a line of ground filters
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They also make a line of ground filters
Refreshing to see a company that shows its measurements, how they are measured and chooses not to market itself with proprietary mystery and woo-woo. I didn’t see a price, but I get the feeling it’s reasonable.Any view of these? There’s plenty of published data on their website
CleanSweep AC EMI Filters AF Series | OnFILTER
Plug-and-play CleanSweep AF series 13...30A AC Power Line EMI filters reduce noise where it matters - in your application. CleanSweep AC EMI filters offer superior EMI attenuation over common filters, providing noise reduction in both differential and common modes, and, uniquely, in ground.
They also make a line of ground filters
You can get a brand new P20, and even get a generous trade if you like. You can try it for a month. If you like it, keep it and send in your trade. If you don’t like it, send it back.
Worried about a power cord? PSAudio includes one, but you can use your own. I started with the stock cord, changed to an AQ Hurricane, kept the P20, and changed again to the top level (at the time) from Transparent.
I would not characterize the differences in power cords as “radical,” as another poster suggests above. But it can be “noticeable.”
One mod I did make and stick with was to swap the arc fault interrupt 20 amp breaker on that circuit to a regular 20 amp breaker.
Instead of all the wondering, I’d just go ahead and order one. When I bought mine, they were built to order, so it took a couple of weeks to ship.
As mentioned in one of my earlier posts, the effect was dependent on the powered gear. It was great with my ARC amps and my Burmester amp. Lousy with my CJ amps. Neutral with my Denon HT receiver.
You’ll never know if you don’t try. And you do not need a consultant to come in and set it up. I do not use the wave shaping or other exotic features. I just set it on a 117 VAC sine wave, dim the display, and let it do its job. I was a complete skeptic before buying the used P12. If I’d only tried it with my CJ or Denon gear, I would have declared it to be a waste of money. But on ARC and Burmester, it more than justified itself and I consider it to be an important part of the success of my system.
Worried about a power cord? PSAudio includes one, but you can use your own. I started with the stock cord, changed to an AQ Hurricane, kept the P20, and changed again to the top level (at the time) from Transparent.
I would not characterize the differences in power cords as “radical,” as another poster suggests above. But it can be “noticeable.”
One mod I did make and stick with was to swap the arc fault interrupt 20 amp breaker on that circuit to a regular 20 amp breaker.
Instead of all the wondering, I’d just go ahead and order one. When I bought mine, they were built to order, so it took a couple of weeks to ship.
As mentioned in one of my earlier posts, the effect was dependent on the powered gear. It was great with my ARC amps and my Burmester amp. Lousy with my CJ amps. Neutral with my Denon HT receiver.
You’ll never know if you don’t try. And you do not need a consultant to come in and set it up. I do not use the wave shaping or other exotic features. I just set it on a 117 VAC sine wave, dim the display, and let it do its job. I was a complete skeptic before buying the used P12. If I’d only tried it with my CJ or Denon gear, I would have declared it to be a waste of money. But on ARC and Burmester, it more than justified itself and I consider it to be an important part of the success of my system.
Maybe I"ll look closer that the device later. But if you have 3 phase power at a site and the loads are imbalanced it'll lead to inefficiency at the least. 3 phase power is very good but can't just be used all willy-nilly as separate legs irrespective of each other. Even when it looks somewhat innocent, this was a go-to adjustment my uncle would address with certain very large facilities using lots of transformers from what he told me when I talked to him about transformer choices in megawatt duties.
Wouldn’t it be interesting to know why you liked the power plant with some amps but not others?
I wanted to like the P 20, but found the Torus a more natural sound here.
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