Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings

[DasguteOhr]

Nuda musica lp is a good recording, but the best vision is paul mcartney -give me regards to broad street 1984.
First, whoever wrote the song performs. Secondly, the recording sounds more natural to me the bass doesn't sound overly emphasized, the best version of this song for me.
Best cover alice cooper

 

[bonzo75]

I don't think your video of Eleanor is as natural/analog sounding as Tangs. It seems to be the digital version of this track that's at fault not your system or recording method (what is it btw?). Most digital versions of AAA recordings are poor IMO.

so you are saying Ron’s accurately shows the digital version as digital. Which is a good thing

 

[Rexp]

so you are saying Ron’s accurately shows the digital version as digital. Which is a good thing

Ron is playing the LP so not good..

 

[hopkins]

Yes but I don't think the digital version of the Eleanor track is a good reference, quite a few better recorded tracks have been used in this thread. Another one I'd like to see/hear is this:
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Ok, but does it really matter as long as you can compare with the original track?

Perhaps there are different objectives here?

 

[hopkins]

Ron is playing the LP so not good..

Have you heard the LP to be able to affirm that it sounds noticeably different from the digital version, and if so, on what system?

 

[Rexp]

Have you heard the LP to be able to affirm that it sounds noticeably different from the digital version, and if so, on what system?

No I haven't heard the LP

 

[bonzo75]

Ron is playing the LP so not good..

i thought someone made the point it was a digitally sourced LP. Maybe I misread. Where you said it is true “digital version of this track” I thought you were referencing the source. My bad

 

[PeterA]

Peter, don’t assume that because the recording in a video is from a digital source that the video will have a glare or sound “processed” as I hear none of that on my recent videos, which are all from digital sourced recordings. That statement is too much of a stereotype for something that isn’t universal.

I do not assume that. What I assume is that if you were listening to records on your big system that you’re listening to analog only. We are also hearing analog through our computers and YouTube video but there is a digitizing process going on in the recording and transfer that does not exist in my system at home or when Ron is listening to tape or records in his listening seat.

do you think it is possible that The digital glare that Ron describes is from the conversion process to make the actual video? I’m not saying that is the case but I think it is a possibility although I hear lots of videos that do not exhibit this character. When Ron first posted these videos of Eleanor Rigby, I asked him what the source was because it did not sound like what I hear of this recording when it is on an LP. He told me it is an LP so the cause must be something else. I attribute it to the system, the system set up, or the room. It might be as simple as JPS wires or his power. Or it’s the gear choice. Personally, I would like to hear the video without the absorption panels on that front wall, but it is not my system and it is not my place to ask Ron to do experiments on my behalf to satisfy my curiosity.

Ron put out the three videos and asked for comments. I shared mine privately and publicly.

 

[PeterA]

Here are some videos that many people hit the “like”. It is a link to the videos I made of David’s system in Utah. I posted them as examples of natural sound. They are made with my iPhone 11 standard hand held videos. David thinks the volume is too high and the mic is a bit overloaded.

David Karmeli's Natural Sound in Utah

David Karmeli’s Natural Sound in Utah In early December 2020, I made the decision to ask David Karmeli (ddk) if he could find me a Micro Seiki SX 8000 II turntable. He told me that it would take about a month to locate and then a bit more time to arrive in Utah. He would then give it a full...

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[DasguteOhr]

No I haven't heard the LP

No wonder the orginal reording is rare

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[PeterA]

Why have you and Tang chosen to censor access to your videos … This is a rhetorical question BTW

That’s an interesting way to put it. The question may be rhetorical, but phrasing as you do is quite revealing.

I consider my system videos to be my creations subject only to the rules of YouTube, and my own efforts. I do them for me, not for anyone else. I have the sole discretion to decide with whom I share them. I can make them public or private and change that designation at my discretion. Posting them here enters them into the public realm. I can decide to later delete them at will as long as YouTube continues to grant me that control.

At least this is how I understand it.

 

[PeterA]

Ouch, low blow
Sorry, I don't have the LP version!

When I listen to isolated videos I’m not comparing formats I’m comparing what I hear to what I remember of live sound.

When comparing two videos of the same music with a system change, then I compare them and ask myself which one sounds more like live music.

I understand everyone has a different approach.

 

[PeterA]

The question is not more or less natural the question is which one sounds like Ron’s system if you are sitting there in the room?

yes, it is important to know which of two sounds most like the in room system sound. Then if we are told the video is representative of the sound of the system, and we are asked to comment on the sound of that system, some of us will ask ourselves if it sounds natural based on our reference of live sound.

 

[hopkins]

When I listen to isolated videos I’m not comparing formats I’m comparing what I hear to what I remember of live sound.

When comparing to videos of the same music with a system change, then I compare them and ask myself which one sounds more like live music.

I understand everyone has a different approach.

Indeed, my approach is to compare to the recording (with headphones, and sometimes on my main rig with speakers). I have lower expectations for a video recording, and my main objective is to see whether the tonal balance is correct (overall, and individual instruments) or whether there is excessive coloring. This can easily be discerned by comparing with a recording, provided you use decent headphones (over the entire frequency range, that's more difficult). Detail level is also a good clue, but very dependant on the microphone/recording gear. Instrument placement, soundstage, is also very dependant on the microphone.

Either approach is legitimate, I think, and people can pick and choose whichever they prefer.

 

[PeterA]

I, personally, find the David/Tang speaker video to be comparatively low in resolution and transparency. Peter, I hear that it is rich and warm and fulsome in the upper bass to lower midrange frequency range. It has a sonic center of gravity in the "power" range that I find emotionally engaging and unfatiguing.



I don't understand how you find that video abundant in "information" and "nuance."

Ron, did I really use the word “abundant”? I think I wrote that I hear more information and nuance in the early version of David’s design. The final design more so. The word “abundant“ does not reflect my thoughts. we have a different sense of what “resolution“ means. And I think we have different values, as Tim puts it. As I wrote you privately, it’s all good. We have our preferences and enjoy our music as we choose reflected in our choices.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Okay forget about the organ vid (and with some delay due to excellent weather )
Bass guitar Victor Wooten inspired by sbnx s bass riffs
streamed of YT / levinson dac ( end of the vid is quit dynamic)

 

[PeterA]

so you are saying Ron’s accurately shows the digital version as digital. Which is a good thing

Ron recorded his LP playing on his Denon TT.

 

[PeterA]

Have you heard the LP to be able to affirm that it sounds noticeably different from the digital version, and if so, on what system?

If playing the LP, one is hearing the TT/arm/cartridge/phono versus DAC/streamer/or transport. Each affects the presentation.

 

[hopkins]

If playing the LP, one is hearing the TT/arm/cartridge/phono versus DAC/streamer/or transport. Each affects the presentation.

Yes, no doubt, just like a DAC may affect the presentation of a file/stream (though some think otherwise). But on some LPs the higher quality is obvious in spite of any of these considerations (or put it differently, the CD releases are crap). I'm thinking mostly 1950s or 1960s recordings with later CD reissues...(though there are some excellent ones). For newly recorded albums, I don't know, I don't get into these subtleties, CD or streaming is usually fine by me. My loss perhaps.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Ron, did I really use the word “abundant”? I think I wrote that I hear more information and nuance in the early version of David’s design. The final design more so.

I apologize for mischaracterizing. I interpreted "more information" and then still more information (in the final design) as abundant information.