Magico M9 >>>>Fulfillment

[knghifi]

Peter, I've heard Pilium with Rockport, Magico, Raidho, Diesis, Alsyvox, Bayz, Wilson, Alta Audio and Borreson. Made all of them sing quite nicely.

I also have a pair of Avantgarde Duo Mezzos and a pair of YG Hailey 1.2s coming in on trade, looking forward to hearing them both with Pilium.

Any experience with Pilum and TAD R1?

 

[Rhapsody]

Any experience with Pilum and TAD R1?

Sorry, no. Pilium's electronics, even the integrated amps are VERY strong and will work with any speakers. I even use the Pilium gear with 99db sensitive Diesis horns and love the sound. So they WILL drive any speaker on the planet, but for me it's more about the high resolution but very liquid sound. You forget there are electronics in the system. Just the music is apparent.

 

[ashandger]

So is there really only one tiny midrange driver on the M9 or are the top two woofers carrying the lower mids?

From Magico website....

" The new 6-inch midrange (x1) features a 3-inch voice coil to help maintain linear output all the way to 120 dB SPL at 1 meter. This results in unmeasurably low distortion throughout the driver’s operating range.

The new 11-inch mid bass driver (x2) features a 4-inch voice coil with a N48H grade Neodymium ring magnet of unusual size: 120 mm diameter x 8 mm height, plus a second matching magnet on top for complete control of voice coil movement.

The new 15-inch bass driver (x2) features a 5-inch voice coil with an uncommonly long 36 mm air gap that facilitates tremendous linear excursion, ±15 mm, at high sensitivity."

 

[Bobvin]

I was in California and out of respect for Alon and all his crew, the "mask of fear" "face diaper" had to be worn. (I've had my first dose of Moderna, waiting for the second.)

Consider, I'm just over 6'2", 205lbs. The M9 is 1000 lbs. That's one fullback I'd not want to try bringing down. (Talk about your low center of gravity!)

 

[ack]

I would say that Konstantinos was working on his electronics design concepts for a few years prior to 2014 when he came out with his first line of Pilium electronics, which was the Brutale line. Now, seven years later, the Divine line is fairly settled in.

I understand what you are saying as Pilium is a young company in general but it's 10+ years that they have been developing and optimizing the design of the current Divine line of products so in a sense it's a fairly mature prouduct. Look at the Taiko Audio Extreme, which is a 3 year old product as an example. Plus Pilium has hundreds of pieces of gear at this point installed around the world.

I personally consider the Pilium gear a slam-dunk product, it is for me anyway, but 10+ years does not feel out of the gate to me.

Fair enough, though not sure what the reference to Taiko intended to convey - it is NOT a mature product, and very much a work in progress and will be for quite some time. Promising apparently, quite promising perhaps, but not exactly mature to these eyes.

 

[ack]

I was in California and out of respect for Alon and all his crew, the "mask of fear" "face diaper" had to be worn. (I've had my first dose of Moderna, waiting for the second.)

Consider, I'm just over 6'2", 205lbs. The M9 is 1000 lbs. That's one fullback I'd not want to try bringing down. (Talk about your low center of gravity!)

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Yeah that's one big mother of a speaker, no doubt I still can't get used to the looks though; love the Q7's visuals

 

[Bobvin]

Yeah that's one big mother of a speaker, no doubt I still can't get used to the looks though; love the Q7's visuals

Making a monster speaker that passes the WAF, not sure it can be done. Fortunately when they’re playing you’re not paying attention to the looks. You will spend more time wiping the drool off your chin!

 

[BlueFox]

Making a monster speaker that passes the WAF, not sure it can be done. Fortunately when they’re playing you’re not paying attention to the looks. You will spend more time wiping the drool off your chin!

At close to a million dollars for speakers, four amplifiers, and assorted cables, I guess it will be some time before I replace the S5 drool with M9 drool. Assuming I don’t win the Lotto.

 

[Bobvin]

Fair enough, though not sure what the reference to Taiko intended to convey - it is NOT a mature product, and very much a work in progress and will be for quite some time. Promising apparently, quite promising perhaps, but not exactly mature to these eyes.

Ack, from a look at your signature you seem to own established brands that you’ve modded and tweaked. Surely the Pilium, Alsyvox, Bayz, Diesis marques are newer less known & established brands. But for dealers like Bob @ Rhapsody, these exceptional products would remain unknown in the USA. But we need to know about and hear them so we can make choices for our own systems. Companies don’t become established unless they get exposure and folks get a chance to hear them—which is why I took a risk and chose to become the west coast Rhapsody Listening Room.

I told all the members of our Portland Audio Club about the Diesis when I heard them a couple years back, now I will be able to share that experience. Same with Pilium, Bayz, Alsyvox.

Choice is good. Choice based on experience even better!

 

[Bobvin]

At close to a million dollars for speakers, four amplifiers, and assorted cables, I guess it will be some time before I replace the S5 drool with M9 drool. Assuming I don’t win the Lotto.

If your system is getting you to drool, its all good. Mission accomplished!

 

[Hessec]

Yeah that's one big mother of a speaker, no doubt I still can't get used to the looks though; love the Q7's visuals

I cannot vouch for pillium yet... however, all can be entitled to their own opinion on their sound right next to the statement kondo amps and preamps at the DFW RLR in about 2 mo. I have both the kaguras and gakuon (300b) amps with the G series preamps. We can even throw them on the m9s(or a myriad of other speakers) if interested in a side by side. I trust Bob. He’s never let me down. Obviously, Magico can have whatever amps they desire on rollout of the M9. Electronics are a tool for them to display their speakers in the best possible light. New, old or otherwise. By the way, for a dyed in the wool “analog freak” the taiko is a complete game changer.

 

[Rhapsody]

Fair enough, though not sure what the reference to Taiko intended to convey - it is NOT a mature product, and very much a work in progress and will be for quite some time. Promising apparently, quite promising perhaps, but not exactly mature to these eyes.

Sure that's your perspective, and respected by me as all individual opinions are.

My perspective is that the Extreme is SO MATURE running Roon. I've been using the Extreme for going on three years now, everyday without one glitch or issue. It has not hiccuped in three years of never being turned off.

The Extreme is rock solid and a lot of people are using Roon with the Extreme. Roon is as mature as any sw control streaming and file control product at this point, although as with any sw, it is and will ever be evolving. To run Roon there is nothing that would ever needed to be done to the Extreme itself.

Since the latest addition of the new Taiko USB card and the TAS usb sw drivers became available, Roon went from going downhill sound wise, to a STELLAR sonic performer.

With the TAS SW, we are probably at the infancy of the future that it will bring in future years. I would not consider TAS a mature product by any means.

To these eyes AND EARS the Extreme server, with hundreds of satisfied customers around the globe and maybe more importantly the BEST support structure from ANY manufacturer that I have personally ever experienced is extremely mature in so many ways, in a very short period of time.

 

[Rhapsody]

At close to a million dollars for speakers, four amplifiers, and assorted cables, I guess it will be some time before I replace the S5 drool with M9 drool. Assuming I don’t win the Lotto.

BlueFox, As Bob said as long as you are enjoying music with your system why even think of replacing it, even if you won the lotto?

Btw, at both the Dallas RLR and the new Rhapsody.Audio Brooklyn location at both locations we will be driving the M9s, which will be coming to both locations in the September/October timeframe with two stereo amps. A lot of systems have two boxes/amps sitting in the room, that is all that will be sitting in the rooms with our incoming M9s at both locations.

M9 users have a choice of running either four monos, one set of monos and a stereo amp or two stereo amps, which can either bi-amp the M9s in a horizontal of vertical configuration.

 

[andromedaaudio]

I think visually the M series is nicer, especially the M6 , much better / slick looking then the bulky Q 7 .( and smoother for those soundwaves off course .)

 

[microstrip]

Fair enough, though not sure what the reference to Taiko intended to convey - it is NOT a mature product, and very much a work in progress and will be for quite some time. Promising apparently, quite promising perhaps, but not exactly mature to these eyes.

Interesting - what should we consider a "mature product" in stereo? Vintage, untouched products, perhaps models that do not change with less than a five year period? Or are you addressing simply designer/manufacturer stability and record?

As wisely said longtime ago, stereo is an individual experience - how should define maturity of something essentially so variable?

 

[andromedaaudio]

what should we consider a "mature product" in stereo

Peters 60 year old horns and still going strong

 

[andromedaaudio]

And the M 9 use no more " standard alu " but a more sophisticated honey comb alu for the cabinet, lighter / easier to handle probably also , and it ll sound different


Taken form the magico web site

Controlling cabinet vibration without storing energy remains one of the greatest challenges in loudspeaker design. Our quest for the ultimate in enclosures has driven us to pursue the latest in materials science, computerized modeling and meticulous assembly. The M9 represents a new milestone in that journey: the world’s first loudspeaker enclosure with carbon fiber inner and outer skins over an aluminum honeycomb core. This technology reduces overall weight yet doubles the structural stiffness.

 

[PeterA]

Rhapsody Bob, which other Magico speaker models will your various showrooms have available for demonstration?

There are so many models with the three distinct lines now, it must be interesting to decide which models to stock.

 

[Rhapsody]

Rhapsody Bob, which other Magico speaker models will your various showrooms have available for demonstration?

There are so many models with the three distinct lines now, it must be interesting to decide which models to stock.

Hi Peter, (BTW, I just LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your new room and system, IT'S AWESOME- lust worthy)

Magico is the exception to the RLR line up. Magico has dealers throughout the US so it doesn't work for the RLRs to stock Magico speakers in the various RLR locations. The exception to this rule is the M9. DFW and Rhapsody.Audio will have the M9s available for demonstration powered by Pilium.

Rhapsody.Audio in NYC IS a Magico dealer, so we have A1s, A3s, A5, M2s and M3s available for demonstration. The other seven RLR locations will focus on Pilium driving Alsyvox, Bayz and Diesis.

 

[Rhapsody]

Interesting - what should we consider a "mature product" in stereo? Vintage, untouched products, perhaps models that do not change with less than a five year period? Or are you addressing simply designer/manufacturer stability and record?

As wisely said longtime ago, stereo is an individual experience - how should define maturity of something essentially so variable?

I agree, as audio IS a personal experience. Each person has their own reference point and idea of a mature product.

Prior to my 20 year Rhapsody experience I spent 25 years in the computer industry. The last eight years managing US distribution for the Network and Communications Product Group at Intel Corporation. At that time, again, 20 years ago, when a product was 12-18 months old it was not mature it was obsolete. Now, 20 years later, the mature/obsolete product life cycle time window has shrunk even more so.

I consider the Extreme server a computer (an audio computer), so for a 3 year old rock solid product, to me, with my reference point it is a very mature product. To someone else with their reference point they probably have a totally different perception of the maturity of the Extreme. To each his own.