QSA LANEDRI Series

[Di-fi]

If I were to daisy chain 2 veridion powerstrips, I think I will do it internal, with some of the 12awg wire and use the rest of the one 15 foot ac cable somewhere else.
That way I can use all 2x6 outlets.
Also, it is very easy to bypass the illuminated on/off switch/overload protection.

My understanding from what I’ve read here is that the whole Veridion strip is treated as a complete assembly — cord, connectors, switch, outlets, dielectric, all of it. QSA even mentioned that daisy-chaining two strips makes the effect stronger, because you’re simply adding more treated “mass” into the chain.

If you open it up and rewire internally though, it feels like the opposite of that principle: you’d be cutting into a path that’s already been treated as one unit, and replacing treated switch/overload parts with plain wire or solder. From what QSA has said before (like why they don’t recommend swapping AC connectors), that would weaken the effect rather than strengthen it.

It reminds me a bit of the Discovery Veridion Ethernet cable. When you add extra Veridion couplers and cables, the effect gets stronger because you’re extending the treated chain. But if you swap in an untreated coupler, the chain is broken and the benefit drops. Same logic with the DC pigtail: ideally you wouldn’t pair it with a cheap adapter, like one user mentioned earlier. I wouldn’t really know how to do without either, but at least it explains why QSA advises to keep everything intact.

 

[Di-fi]

I’m curious about the “daisy-chaining” idea with Veridion strips and Ethernet cables. QSA mentioned that adding more treated sections keeps increasing the effect, but is there a point where it stops being beneficial? For Ethernet they tested up to 30 m and saw improvements continue, and for power strips it seems to be about adding more treated mass. I wonder if there’s a practical limit or if it just plateaus at some stage.

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

I’m curious about the “daisy-chaining” idea with Veridion strips and Ethernet cables. QSA mentioned that adding more treated sections keeps increasing the effect, but is there a point where it stops being beneficial? For Ethernet they tested up to 30 m and saw improvements continue, and for power strips it seems to be about adding more treated mass. I wonder if there’s a practical limit or if it just plateaus at some stage.

We’ve pushed things pretty far with cable design. For the Ultimatum power cables we’re using 1/0 AWG wire with over 5,000 strands, and for the Ultimatum speaker cables it’s 4/0 AWG with more than 10,000 strands. In our lab we even tried going thicker and the improvements just kept scaling up. No sign of diminishing returns so far!

 

[Di-fi]

We’ve pushed things pretty far with cable design. For the Ultimatum power cables we’re using 1/0 AWG wire with over 5,000 strands, and for the Ultimatum speaker cables it’s 4/0 AWG with more than 10,000 strands. In our lab we even tried going thicker and the improvements just kept scaling up. No sign of diminishing returns so far!

Indeed the impact scales with “treated mass.”

It was an interesting week hanging out here, learning about Veridion (thanks to all who shared their insights!) , while at home plugging both Veridion cat6 cables anywhere I could think of. For order of attack, I started with the router, then the switch, then the server. For Ethernet, QSA deliberately use Cat6 UTP with no shielding all along the chain (up until the very last cable into the streamer). I’ve settled on router →cat6 → switch →cat6 → streamer for now.

One thing I noticed: QSA never mentioned dielectric treatment — I had assumed it was part of the complete assembly. So it seems the magic is all in the conductors + connectors. Even footers and HDMI follow the same rule; more treated mass, bigger step. Although how that works out for the former and the new PSU is harder to fathom.

So my takeaway so far is that DC is the odd one out: short is best to avoid picking up noise, no cumulative gains but heavy gauge still makes it more effective. It can even deliver a greater magnitude of improvement than the AC cable. Directionality is always in play, and AC + DC give complementary gains: AC gives the “muscle” around the notes, while DC builds strength from within. I look forward to trying the DC and AC cables soon. Thank you for your time and generous replies Anas!

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

One thing I noticed: QSA never mentioned dielectric treatment — I had assumed it was part of the complete assembly. So it seems the magic is all in the conductors + connectors. Even footers and HDMI follow the same rule; more treated mass, bigger step.

The magic is in the dielectric as well. We obviously advise against cutting the outer cover.

 

[Willgolf]

As many of you may know, I now have a significant use of QSA Cables and Cords. My whole two-channel system is UI power cords and speaker cables. I have 11 Veridion PC's going to my tv's movie projector and in my whole house media closet. I have seen an improvement in the video portion of my TVs and JVC projector. Better clarity for sure. I won't list all of my QSA gear because it would be too lengthy.

Today, I want to comment on the power strip. I have a very good Power Conditioner (Inakustic 4500P) with a 20-amp Ultimate Infinity Power cord going into a QSA Silver outlet. I decided to try the Veridion power strip for giggles. I first let the power strip break in for a week as I connected it to my wine fridge. I then unplugged my DAC, Music Server and Aries Cerat Ageto Preamp from my Power Conditioner to the Veridion Power strip—an A/B experiment. The Power Conditioner with UI Power was better in musicality and depth. However, after going through two 4-hour listening sessions, I can honestly say I prefer the Veridion Power strip. My wife even commented that she thought the music was clearer, cleaner, and better-sounding. As a result, I am going to sell my Power Conditioner and just use the Veridion Power Strip. It is the best $600 audio investment I have made and I have another power strip on order for my media closet.

 

[highstream]

As many of you may know, I now have a significant use of QSA Cables and Cords. My whole two-channel system is UI power cords and speaker cables. I have 11 Veridion PC's going to my tv's movie projector and in my whole house media closet. I have seen an improvement in the video portion of my TVs and JVC projector. Better clarity for sure. I won't list all of my QSA gear because it would be too lengthy.

Today, I want to comment on the power strip. I have a very good Power Conditioner (Inakustic 4500P) with a 20-amp Ultimate Infinity Power cord going into a QSA Silver outlet. I decided to try the Veridion power strip for giggles. I first let the power strip break in for a week as I connected it to my wine fridge. I then unplugged my DAC, Music Server and Aries Cerat Ageto Preamp from my Power Conditioner to the Veridion Power strip—an A/B experiment. The Power Conditioner with UI Power was better in musicality and depth. However, after going through two 4-hour listening sessions, I can honestly say I prefer the Veridion Power strip. My wife even commented that she thought the music was clearer, cleaner, and better-sounding. As a result, I am going to sell my Power Conditioner and just use the Veridion Power Strip. It is the best $600 audio investment I have made and I have another power strip on order for my media closet.

Will, clearer, cleaner > musicality. That’s quite a trade off.

 

[Three quid]

What would be the effect of mixing or pigtailing veridion to original gamma infinity? Say pigtailing a veridion Ethernet to a gamma inifinity Ethernet?

 

[Willgolf]

Will, clearer, cleaner > musicality. That’s quite a trade off.

You just can't underestimate the performance of the Ultimatum Series. However, as Anas has pointed out, I agree that the Power Conditioner can interfere with pure sound. The Veridion Power Strip works very well with my components.

 

[kennyb123]

a result, I am going to sell my Power Conditioner and just use the Veridion Power Strip. It is the best $600 audio investment I have made and I have another power strip on order for my media closet.

I’ve been a member here since 2012. My reaction to gushing posts has almost exclusively been “how the heck am I going to ever be able to afford something like that?”. Such a shock to my system to be able to react with “not only can I afford that but pursuing it will also put money back in my bank account.” Thank you @QSA-LANEDRI.

 

[romaz]

I’m probably forgetting someone, but I can recall only one developer over the years who’s said their product needed more than 50-150 hours to settle. That’s Morrow, who details what changes to expect with their cables every 50-75 hours or so up to 400. In my experience, I've encountered only one product that’s needed less than about 300 hours, and that wasn’t a QSA-Lanedri but an Authentic Audio Image USB cable which sounded pretty much the same from hour 1 to 300.

There are 3 characteristics to Veridion treatment that people need to always remain aware of. They have been touched on before but they deserve to be revisited from time to time. They are each potentially controversial depending on what forum you're on but if you fail to properly acknowledge them, they can adversely impact your experience.

1. Burn-in. Many do not believe in this phenomenon. Some believe the changes you are hearing are due to your brain accommodating to the characteristics of your new cable or component and so they suggest it is more of a "brain burn-in" than a "cable burn-in" that is happening. With QSAL treatment, this cable burn-in is real and it used to be a lot worse. Back in 2021, we applied treatment to a manufacturer's power conditioner. This power conditioner retails for $20k and represented a gentleman's life's work. It was his pride and joy and he knew the characteristics of this power conditioner intimately. After receiving the unit back from Hong Kong after it had been freshly treated, this gentleman and I listened to it together in my system. First impressions were so positive that he gushed and wanted to incorporate the treatment in all of his conditioners moving forward. He took the unit home for further evaluation but I reminded him that he would be in for a roller coaster ride because of burn-in. He refused to buy into that claim. He came back to me a couple of days later visibly upset. This gentleman calibrates and fine tunes his conditioners not by listening to music but by looking at and comparing video and still images. He said this treatment had destroyed his video monitors and that the colors on his monitors were now way off and vowed he would never work with this treatment again. With Veridion, the roller-coaster burn-in is no where as bad as in the past but it's still there. Initially, there are times when it can sound a bit harsh and unnatural. Fortunately, this is a one-time thing and once the worst of the burn-in is completed, you're good to go.

2. Settling time. This is the bigger issue and it will always exist. It actually exists for every cable but is considerably more prominent with Veridion cables because the impact of this treatment is profound. When you first plug a cable into a component, it doesn't matter who makes that cable, it needs time to settle. It will pass current immediately, that is not the issue, but all cables have resonant qualities and it takes time for a component to equilibrate to the resonant qualities of the conductors within that cable that are audible and visible. We're not talking a great length of time, usually 5-10 minutes although full equilibration can take hours. It's the same concept behind grounding cables, ground boxes, Stillpoints, Critical Mass CS2 footers, etc. You will notice with these devices, their audible and visible impact is predicated on time in the same way that it takes time for a tuning fork that you strike to stop vibrating. This obviously gives you some idea of how Veridion technology works. We no longer are using terms like "super conductor" as measurements have confirmed this technology is not bending any laws of physics but it explains why this treatment has impact even when it is applied to conductors not within the electrical path of a component. This is why it is important that you not do rapid A/B tests when comparing these cables. You need to wait at least 5-10 minutes but ideally a few hours.

3. Directionality. Again, there are those who do not believe in this phenomenon with cables but feel free to do this experiment for yourselves. Those of you who have purchased a Veridion LAN or HDMI cables, try switching them around. They'll still function but one direction should clearly sound and look better. It is most egregious with the Ultimatum speaker cables. Get the direction wrong and you will think your system is broken.

 

[romaz]

@Anas,

Noticed that the coax cable is a F connector, is this only optimiaed for video.

Is the a bnc offering anytime planned or do we use an F to bnc adaptor for use for audio as s/pdif and clocking purposes? Or it has not been develop for audio at this stage and need more R&D for proving the effectiveness for those purposes?

This cable has the potential for a variety of applications but is optimally suited for connecting your internet feed from your ISP (Internet Service Provider like Comcast, Spectrum, etc) to your internet modem. Obviously, if you have fiber optic internet service, this would not apply to you. Unlike RG6 which is typically what is used in residential applications, RG11 is much larger gauge but also thicker and less flexible to handle. You can use F-to-BNC adapters and use it as a SPDIF or clocking cable as these are 75-ohm cables but preliminary testing has found these cables to not sound good in these applications. We still do not have a SPDIF or clock cable we are happy with. Will this cable have the impact of a Discovery LAN cable? Not quite and so you need to temper your expectations but the bang for the buck is still there.

 

[romaz]

To be clear, are you recommending changing the router AC cable before the server AC cable?

In general, I agree with Anas on this, start with the network but there are caveats. Using a treated AC cable and DC cable on my non-audiophile router resulted in a crazy improvement in dynamics and air, much more than what I got from applying the same cabling to my audiophile network switch. However, there was still a lack of refinement coming from my non-audiophile router that my cascaded AfterDark Buffalo network switch remedied. So the impact of both are important but considering what I paid for the AfterDark switch, there is far greater bang for the buck by applying treated power cabling (AC and DC) to the router. When you apply the same treated power cabling to the internet modem, there is audible impact but far less. With respect to power delivery to your network, I would prioritize the router > switch > modem. If the means are there, given the relatively low cost of Discovery cables, go ahead and apply treated AC, DC, and signal cabling (LAN cabling) at each step but if you are on a budget or you want to take it a step at a time, start with treated power cabling to the router and a treated LAN cable closest to your server, streamer, or Smart TV.

Is the impact of a Discovery AC cable greater on the router than other components like your music server? Potentially, yes, but you have to experiment. In my case, the greatest impact of any AC cable is to my dCS Vivaldi Apex DAC. Period. When I owned the Taiko Extreme, the impact there was also pretty significant. In my case, consistently, the greatest impact has been on digital and this includes the Ultimatum power cord where it has a greater impact on my DAC than it does on my amplifiers.

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

It is the best $600 audio investment I have made and I have another power strip on order for my media closet.

I’ve been a member here since 2012. My reaction to gushing posts has almost exclusively been “how the heck am I going to ever be able to afford something like that?”. Such a shock to my system to be able to react with “not only can I afford that but pursuing it will also put money back in my bank account.” Thank you @QSA-LANEDRI.

The Discovery Series began as a way to showcase the impact of Veridion by removing variables such as conductor purity and cable design from the equation. This allowed us to highlight Veridion’s effect in its purest form. We then decided to open the offer for a limited period so that as many people as possible could experience it.

To ensure it remains available in the long term, however, we need to secure larger orders that make production sustainable, something only achievable through economies of scale. At the same time, we remain committed to a direct sales model, which allows us to avoid distributor and dealer markups and keep the retail price as accessible as possible.

With your continued feedback, word of mouth, and sharing in platforms like Reddit and other communities, we can help spread the word and ensure that the Discovery Series stays available for more people to discover and enjoy.

 

[romaz]

I'm thinking about "daisy chaining" 2 discovery power strips.


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Unlike DC cables where the general rule is to keep them as short as possible, that rule does not apply to AC cables. If you think about it, the feet or meters of length of cabling in your wall from your panel to your outlets are no different than the AC cables you plug into your components. In fact, it is my experience that cables that are too short can sound worse. If you notice, every AC power cord that Shunyata sells comes in at a length of 1.75 m minimum and this is because their testing found this minimum length to sound better. I intentionally ordered a power cable from them at a custom 3 foot length and they made it for me but it is among the worst sounding Shunyata power cables I have owned. Same phenomena happened with several 1-foot power cords that I had Audience make for me. They sounded quite bad when compared against their standard length offering. I don't know that I can offer you an explanation but this belief that a power cable should be at least 1.75 m or roughly 6 feet is held by others in the industry. This is why we intentionally sought out power cables that are 6 feet in length for the Discovery line. There is no penalty for going longer (in fact, longer cords when treated sound better because they have more conductor mass) and so daisy chaining Discovery power cords or the power strips should result in a clearly audible improvement, even if you are using untreated couplers. It's the same concept behind a Power Jitter.

For those of you who are fortunate enough to own an Ultimatum or Spectra power cable, even if it has the older treatment applied, I would suggest you do what I am doing while you are waiting for the Veridion versions of your Ultimatum or Spectra to become available. I am connecting my Ultimatum PC to a Discovery power strip using this untreated coupler:



This gives me the weight and powerful dynamics of the Ultimatum but also the clarity, tonal saturation, and air and depth of Veridion.

 

[Iamrael]

This is why it is important that you not do rapid A/B tests when comparing these cables. You need to wait at least 5-10 minutes but ideally a few hours.

How does this fit into the narrative of the demo done at Axpona with Lyngdorf?
I’m likely overlooking/missing something but please explain.

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

For those of you who are fortunate enough to own an Ultimatum or Spectra power cable, even if it has the older treatment applied, I would suggest you do what I am doing while you are waiting for the Veridion versions of your Ultimatum or Spectra to become available. I am connecting my Ultimatum PC to a Discovery power strip using this untreated coupler:

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This gives me the weight and powerful dynamics of the Ultimatum but also the clarity, tonal saturation, and air and depth of Veridion.

The C14 to NEMA 5-15 adapter was requested by few clients who needed to daisy-chain the Discovery Veridion AC power cables. We will soon be introducing a Veridion-treated version of this adapter as an add-on, priced at $50.

 

[romaz]

How does this fit into the narrative of the demo done at Axpona with Lyngdorf?
I’m likely overlooking/missing something but please explain.

We struggled with it and had to factor it in. When we went from untreated cables to treated cables, the full impact took time but the impact was readily apparent. The treated cables immediately sounded better. However, when we went back to the untreated cables, if we didn't give it enough time, the untreated cables were sounding almost as good as the treated cables. We had to wait at least 5 minutes for the resonant impact of the treated cables on the components to wear off. So during this 5-minute wait, Anas and I purposely struck up conversation with the audience and we used this time to also talk about the technology.

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

We struggled with it and had to factor it in. When we went from untreated cables to treated cables, the full impact took time but the impact was readily apparent. The treated cables immediately sounded better. However, when we went back to the untreated cables, if we didn't give it enough time, the untreated cables were sounding almost as good as the treated cables. We had to wait at least 5 minutes for the resonant impact of the treated cables on the components to wear off. So during this 5-minute wait, Anas and I purposely struck up conversation with the audience and we used this time to also talk about the technology.

Kept one eye on the timer trying to stretch it to 5 to 10 minutes… ended up tossing in dad jokes just to stop the tumbleweeds from rolling through.

 

[romaz]

I’ve been a member here since 2012. My reaction to gushing posts has almost exclusively been “how the heck am I going to ever be able to afford something like that?”. Such a shock to my system to be able to react with “not only can I afford that but pursuing it will also put money back in my bank account.” Thank you @QSA-LANEDRI.

I have said this before on this thread. I was in line to upgrade my Wilson Audio Alexia Series 2 speakers to the Wilson Alexx V speakers. I had even spoken to my dealer in Arizona about the timing of the trade-in that would have cost me nearly $100k because after hearing the new Wilson Alexx V, I couldn't unhear them and they were all I could think about. Greater dynamics, sound staging, layering, and resolution and the differences weren't subtle. Then I heard the Ultimatum speaker cables on my older Wilsons and seemingly every upgrade that I had heard with the much more expensive Alexx V, I was now hearing on my Alexias with the Ultimatums. Same thing with my $20k line conditioner. That unit has been sold. I am using the Discovery power strip. You would think I would feel like I'm slumming with a full loom of Discovery cables while I wait for the larger gauge versions of Veridion to become available and yet, I have never enjoyed my system more. Nothing against the more traditional paths but even with the expensive Ultimatums, I have put money back into my pocket and have seen my system move forward. That was the goal with the Discovery line. It has actually become a game for me, to try and find not just cables but components that once treated, affordably outclass components that are far more expensive.