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@romaz, in your Nema connector comment above about using the Nema connector with your Ultimatum PC, did you actually mean to write that you are connecting your Ultimatum PC to a Discovery PC, and the Discovery PC is then plugged into the Discovery power strip?

Discovery power strip > Discovery PC > Nema coupler > Ultimatum PC > Amp/other gear

If the above sample is correct, would it be best to have the Ultimatum connected to the gear, or to the Discovery power strip? In other words, which order of power cords would be preferable?
 
@romaz, in your Nema connector comment above about using the Nema connector with your Ultimatum PC, did you actually mean to write that you are connecting your Ultimatum PC to a Discovery PC, and the Discovery PC is then plugged into the Discovery power strip?

Discovery power strip > Discovery PC > Nema coupler > Ultimatum PC > Amp/other gear

If the above sample is correct, would it be best to have the Ultimatum connected to the gear, or to the Discovery power strip? In other words, which order of power cords would be preferable?

If I needed the length, I wouldn't hesitate to do as you've suggested, however, in my case, I am connecting the Ultimatum PC directly to the Power Strip AC plug via the coupler. The Ultimatum PC is 0 AWG and the Power Strip is 12 AWG while the Discovery PC is 14 AWG and so I didn't feel the need to introduce a smaller gauge PC in between the Ultimatum and Power Strip.
 
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One phenomena that I've noticed and you all can test this for yourselves, with the Power Strip, if you plug in 6 Discovery PCs into the sockets, even if those Discovery PCs aren't all connected to components, there is a mass grounding effect that occurs just by having those PCs plugged in that benefits SQ. This is one reason why I suggested that having a full loom of treated cabling seems to go beyond what you would normally expect.
 
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Is the impact of a Discovery AC cable greater on the router than other components like your music server? Potentially, yes, but you have to experiment. In my case, the greatest impact of any AC cable is to my dCS Vivaldi Apex DAC. Period. When I owned the Taiko Extreme, the impact there was also pretty significant. In my case, consistently, the greatest impact has been on digital and this includes the Ultimatum power cord where it has a greater impact on my DAC than it does on my amplifiers.

The priority list reflects a simple truth: You cannot remove noise that has already been baked into the signal. Therefore, the most impactful upgrades are always at the source.

Explanation of Priority​

1. Router & Switch (The Foundation of Digital Purity)​

  • Why Highest Impact: These devices are the absolute source of your digital audio stream. Every single bit of data passes through them. They are notoriously noisy, filled with high-frequency digital circuitry that generates significant EMI/RFI. This noise is not just carried by the electrical signal; it radiates electromagnetically and can even be modulated onto the data stream itself as packet timing jitter.
  • Analogy: Purifying the router/switch is like building a water purification plant at the head of a river that supplies an entire city. If you clean the water at the source, every tap downstream delivers clean water. If the source is polluted, no amount of filtering at the tap can fully restore purity. A dirty network signal pollutes every single component that follows.

2. Music Server / Streamer (The Digital Source Component)​

  • Why High Impact: This is the component that actively reads the data, applies processing (e.g., oversampling, unfolding), and prepares it for transmission to the DAC. Its internal clocks and power supplies are highly susceptible to noise, which directly translates into jitter—the primary enemy of digital audio fidelity.
  • Analogy: If the Router/Switch is the water source, the Music Server is the main pumping station. This ensures the pumps (clocks) are perfectly calibrated and that no new contaminants are added before the water is sent to your house (the DAC).

3. / 4. DAC /Preamp : From what we’ve seen, the prio 1 and 2 should hold true in any setup. When it comes to DAC vs Preamp, though, it really depends on which one is the bottleneck in the chain. On setups with tube preamps, we expect Piro 3 to go to the preamp, since tubes naturally carry a higher noise floor than top-tier solid-state designs.


DAC (The Critical Conversion Point)​

  • Why High Impact: The DAC is the most sensitive component in the chain, serving as the bridge between the digital and analog realms. Here, jitter and noise have an immediate and catastrophic effect on sound quality, affecting the accuracy of the reconstruction filters and the analog output stage.
  • Analogy: The DAC is the kitchen of a restaurant. You can have the finest ingredients (clean data from the server), but if the kitchen itself is dirty, the pans are contaminated, and the chef is distracted (dirty ground/noisy clocks), the final dish (the analog signal) will be ruined.

Preamp (The Analog Control Center)​

  • Why Medium-High Impact: The preamp handles low-level analog signals from the DAC and other sources. It is the master volume control and input selector. Its job is to pass this delicate signal with absolute purity and without adding any noise or distortion. Any noise or signal loss here will be amplified by the power amp.
  • Analogy: The preamp is the master sound engineer's mixing console. Using our cables ensures every fader and knob is perfectly clean, allowing for silent channel switching and pure, uncolored adjustment of the signal before it goes to the main amplifiers.

5. Amp (The Power Plant)​

  • Why Lower-Medium Impact: The power amplifier's primary job is to amplify voltage and current to drive the speakers. It deals with high-power signals that are less susceptible to the subtle noise that affects low-level stages. However, its power supply and output stage are critical for dynamics and control.
  • Analogy: The amp is the engine of your car. With our cables is like using ultra-high-quality synthetic oil and fuel injector cleaner. The engine runs smoother, responds faster, and delivers power more efficiently, but it can't correct for a poor-quality fuel source (the signal from the preamp).

The Discovery Veridion power strip is the foundation. Clean power to everything = big impact on the whole setup.

We’d love to hear your experience — which component takes priority in your setup when using the Discovery Veridion cables? Share your own prio list so we can all learn from different systems and comparisons.
 
As the discovery cables are shipped tightly coiled, is there a recommended method to loosen the kinks out? Heat from a hairdryer?
 
As the discovery cables are shipped tightly coiled, is there a recommended method to loosen the kinks out? Heat from a hairdryer?
You can gently laying them out and letting them relax naturally over time. You can also form soft loops in the opposite direction of the coil to help them straighten faster.

If you’d like to speed up the process, very gentle warmth (like from a hairdryer at a low setting, held at a safe distance) can help soften the jacket, just be careful not to overheat the cable.
 
Adapters may be added at a later stage, but the Discovery Veridion DC Power Extension Cable will always remain 5.5 mm × 2.1 mm male-to-female.
Too bad...2.5 seems to be most common
 
You can gently laying them out and letting them relax naturally over time. You can also form soft loops in the opposite direction of the coil to help them straighten faster.

If you’d like to speed up the process, very gentle warmth (like from a hairdryer at a low setting, held at a safe distance) can help soften the jacket, just be careful not to overheat the cable.
I found the following works well: work on a table long enough for the 6 foot cable, tape one end down, patiently heat and bend each kink one at a time.

Friendly suggestion on shipping ? Instead of tightly kinking each cable into a bundle, wrap the multiple cables into a single circle.
 
Too bad...2.5 seems to be most common

I understand. OTOH, I’ve had to use cheap 2.5 to 2.1 adapters that bend and break easily for the link from a Paul Hynes LPS to an iFi Spdif iPurifier, used on a run from Oppo to Lampi dac. I haven’t done well with Anas’ voicing, but I’m tempted to give his DC cable a try, if only for the direct connection.
 
Too bad...2.5 seems to be most common
With the Discovery Series, we’ve got to balance a few constraints: wire gauge, order volume, and price.

Friendly suggestion on shipping ? Instead of tightly kinking each cable into a bundle, wrap the multiple cables into a single circle.
Thank you for the suggestion. That would mean changing the current Discovery Series shipping process, where cost plays a central role.

We prioritize all factors that impacts music and video quality, which leaves only a small margin for all the other elements.
 
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We struggled with it and had to factor it in. When we went from untreated cables to treated cables, the full impact took time but the impact was readily apparent. The treated cables immediately sounded better. However, when we went back to the untreated cables, if we didn't give it enough time, the untreated cables were sounding almost as good as the treated cables. We had to wait at least 5 minutes for the resonant impact of the treated cables on the components to wear off. So during this 5-minute wait, Anas and I purposely struck up conversation with the audience and we used this time to also talk about the technology.
Kept one eye on the timer trying to stretch it to 5 to 10 minutes… ended up tossing in dad jokes just to stop the tumbleweeds from rolling through.
How does the settling in process effect affect your footers/vibration devices recently talked about?
 
How does the settling in process effect affect your footers/vibration devices recently talked about?
The Discovery Veridion footers need at least 48 hours to settle, as they need to physically "mate" with the component's chassis or cable surface. Microscopic imperfections create air gaps that must be eliminated through pressure and time.
 
How does the settling in process effect affect your footers/vibration devices recently talked about?

The "settling process" I refer to is an equilibration or accommodation that has to take place with respect to vibrational energy. All things vibrate. As we know, the sounds we hear are a direct consequence of vibrational energy. Also, the first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed or transferred and so an "anti-vibration" footer underneath a component is incapable of removing vibrations, only transforming them to some other form that hopefully results in a more pleasing sound.

Those of you who have played around with footers or foundations know that if you place a speaker or a component on a wood plinth, you are likely to get a softer but fuller and more rounded sound and cherry will subtly sound different from walnut. Place that same device on top of a stainless steel Stillpoint and the sound gets leaner, brighter and with sharper focus and attack. This concept of vibrational grounding, to shape your sound signature is certainly not new but this type of grounding is at play in ways that some audiophiles are not even aware of.

It turns out all things have a specific fundamental resonant frequency. Your listening room will have several and it's why certain frequencies can sound accentuated in certain rooms. Spinning Earth also has a prominent resonant frequency of 7.83 Hz that is called the Schumann resonance. Some have referred to it as the heartbeat of Earth and some creative minds have used this as a target with the idea that shifting your room's or your component's resonant frequency to align with the Earth's fundamental resonance of 7.83 Hz will somehow make your audio playback sound more organic, natural, and less fatiguing. This is the premise behind the popular grounding boxes made by companies like Entreq and Synergistic Research.

With Entreq, which is a passive device, you connect your component via a ground cable to some box that basically contains a proprietary mix of "earth" (i.e. natural minerals). Essentially, the vibrational energy of your component is being transferred to some other mass and as you might imagine, the bigger the box of earth, the greater the influence. If you're going to go for maximum influence, just stick a dedicated ground rod into your backyard and ground all of your components to it since there is no greater mass than mother Earth. If you talk to your electrician or electrical engineer about having a dedicated ground rod installed for your audio setup, they will think you're crazy since the purpose of electrical grounding is supposed to be to create a safety path for fault currents and not for SQ but anyone that looks at it this way is completely missing the point. Also, soil composition will impact sound and sandy soil will sound different from volcanic soil which is why Entreq and other creatives devise their own proprietary mix of minerals that include such things as copper, silver, and tungsten.

The alternative route is to use an active ground box made by companies like Synergistic Research, Telos, and others. In this situation, you connect your component via a ground cable to an electronic device that actively generates a vibrational frequency often based off of the Schumman resonance frequency of 7.83 Hz. It's quite novel if you think about it and they can create variants of this frequency for those who want a different different sound signature and this is what Synergistic Research does with their more expensive models.

Now back to your question of "settling in" with respect to footers and other vibrational devices (but this also relates to QSAL tech). To be able to shift the resonant frequency of your component to some other resonant frequency, whether it be the Schumann resonance or something else, it will always take time and that amount of time will be dictated by the mechanism of shift. Some footers convert certain vibrational frequencies to heat and some transfer them to mass just like the Entreq grounding boxes. Those that convert to heat, like a Stillpoint, the effect is much more immediate but with Center Stage footers made by Critical Mass (which I use), which transfer to mass, the settling time is a true roller coaster ride that can take a week. There are moments when your system actually sounds much worse where you are tempted to pull them out because you're convinced something has gone wrong. This is how I believe our technology works and why mass matters.

This begs the question why our tech is so effective. Unlike a footer, which acts more at the chassis level of a component, we are impacting resonances at the very deepest levels, at the level of the PCB and everywhere current flows but also where it doesn't. People often wonder why an audiophile fuse can make such a difference with SQ. You only have to look at the beeswax fuses made by Audio Magic to understand they exert their effect by altering electrical resonant energy. If we apply treatment to the ground pin of a tiny Chord Mojo, there will be noticeable impact but because the conductor mass of the chassis is small, the impact is smaller. If we apply treatment to the same ground pin of a giant DAC housed in a 50 lb chassis, provided ground is tied to that giant chassis, the impact of our treatment will be expectedly larger. It's why the impact of a 0000 AWG Ultimatum speaker cable is so huge. The more our tech is in your system, the more effective it serves as a sump for less desirable vibrational energy but this equilibrium shift takes time.
 
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The "settling process" I refer to is an equilibration or accommodation that has to take place with respect to vibrational energy. All things vibrate. As we know, the sounds we hear are a direct consequence of vibrational energy. Also, the first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed or transferred and so an "anti-vibration" footer underneath a component is incapable of removing vibrations, only transforming them to some other form that hopefully results in a more pleasing sound.

Those of you who have played around with footers or foundations know that if you place a speaker or a component on a wood plinth, you are likely to get a softer but fuller and more rounded sound and cherry will subtly sound different from walnut. Place that same device on top of a stainless steel Stillpoint and the sound gets leaner, brighter and with sharper focus and attack. This concept of vibrational grounding, to shape your sound signature is certainly not new but this type of grounding is at play in ways that some audiophiles are not even aware of.

It turns out all things have a specific fundamental resonant frequency. Your listening room will have several and it's why certain frequencies can sound accentuated in certain rooms. Spinning Earth also has a prominent resonant frequency of 7.83 Hz that is called the Schumann resonance. Some have referred to it as the heartbeat of Earth and some creative minds have used this as a target with the idea that shifting your room's or your component's resonant frequency to align with the Earth's fundamental resonance of 7.83 Hz will somehow make your audio playback sound more organic, natural, and less fatiguing. This is the premise behind the popular grounding boxes made by companies like Entreq and Synergistic Research.

With Entreq, which is a passive device, you connect your component via a ground cable to some box that basically contains a proprietary mix of "earth" (i.e. natural minerals). Essentially, the vibrational energy of your component is being transferred to some other mass and as you might imagine, the bigger the box of earth, the greater the influence. If you're going to go for maximum influence, just stick a dedicated ground rod into your backyard and ground all of your components to it since there is no greater mass than mother Earth. If you talk to your electrician or electrical engineer about having a dedicated ground rod installed for your audio setup, they will think you're crazy since the purpose of electrical grounding is supposed to be to create a safety path for fault currents and not for SQ but anyone that looks at it this way is completely missing the point. Also, soil composition will impact sound and sandy soil will sound different from volcanic soil which is why Entreq and other creatives devise their own proprietary mix of minerals that include such things as copper, silver, and tungsten.

The alternative route is to use an active ground box made by companies like Synergistic Research, Telos, and others. In this situation, you connect your component via a ground cable to an electronic device that actively generates a vibrational frequency often based off of the Schumman resonance frequency of 7.83 Hz. It's quite novel if you think about it and they can create variants of this frequency for those who want a different different sound signature and this is what Synergistic Research does with their more expensive models.

Now back to your question of "settling in" with respect to footers and other vibrational devices (but this also relates to QSAL tech). To be able to shift the resonant frequency of your component to some other resonant frequency, whether it be the Schumann resonance or something else, it will always take time and that amount of time will be dictated by the mechanism of shift. Some footers convert certain vibrational frequencies to heat and some transfer them to mass just like the Entreq grounding boxes. Those that convert to heat, like a Stillpoint, the effect is much more immediate but with Center Stage footers made by Critical Mass (which I use), which transfer to mass, the settling time is a true roller coaster ride that can take a week. There are moments when your system actually sounds much worse where you are tempted to pull them out because you're convinced something has gone wrong. This is how I believe our technology works and why mass matters.

This begs the question why our tech is so effective. Unlike a footer, which acts more at the chassis level of a component, we are impacting resonances at the very deepest levels, at the level of the PCB and the everywhere current flows but also where it doesn't. People often wonder why an audiophile fuse can make such a difference with SQ. You only have to look at the beeswax fuses made by Audio Magic to understand they exert their effect by altering electrical resonant energy. If we apply treatment to the ground pin of a tiny Chord Mojo, there will be noticeable impact but because the conductor mass of the chassis is small, the impact is smaller. If we apply treatment to the same ground pin of a giant DAC housed in a 50 lb chassis, provided ground is tied to that giant chassis, the impact of our treatment will be expectedly larger. It's why the impact of a 0000 AWG Ultimatum speaker cable is so huge. The more our tech is in your system, the more effective it serves as a sump for less desirable vibrational energy but this equilibrium shift takes time.
I don’t know…the chances/likelihood of putting a row of tampons underneath my DAC might just as well be the same or better (than yours or any footer)suited to my preferences.
Agree? Yes or no?
 
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I don’t know…the chances/likelihood of putting a row of tampons underneath my DAC might just as well be the same or better suited to my preferences.

To each their own, of course. The point is there will be settling time with that row of tampons and you will need to decide if you prefer Playtex over Tampax.
 
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On the topic of the power strip, is it readily available in Schuko ? If yes, how many large (=ultimatum, sablon or like) do you reckon we could plug into it? I am curious to compare with my Everest which has been a pinacle of my system for the last 5 years. Any comments welcome :)
 
On the topic of the power strip, is it readily available in Schuko ? If yes, how many large (=ultimatum, sablon or like) do you reckon we could plug into it? I am curious to compare with my Everest which has been a pinacle of my system for the last 5 years. Any comments welcome :)
We use the Southwire power strip as the base since it fits the Discovery constraints best. It comes with a NEMA 5-20 plug; for US clients we offer the option of a Veridion-treated 5-15 adapter, and for EU clients a free Schuko adaptor (not treated).

Footers under the strip make a big difference, unlocking more potential with a darker background. A head-to-head with the Everest would be really interesting. And just one Ultimatum Infinity power cable daisy-chained in is enough to bring the Ultimatum benefits into play.
 
My use of the word tampon was never intended to be “funny”. Nor was it intended to be derogatory toward women in any way. I don’t believe that Romaz read it that way either.
I was simply only trying to point out that sometimes/often even the most unrelated, unconnected things can work just as well in some circumstances.
I think we all agree that there is nothing humorous about the word itself or what its use is. We’re not in Jr. High School anymore.
Please try to look at this whole scenario with a different perspective and forgive us all for overlooking any possible implication.
I think it was somewhat unfair though for you to try to silence Romaz and leave him no room to respond without further exacerbation.
 
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