Problems with believability in audio

[Lagonda]

What should I have for dinner---------------- Horns
What should I wear tonight--------------------horns
What car should I drive-----------------------------horns
Who should I sleep with -----------------------------horns
what color is the sky----------------------------------horns

LOL it never ends . One thing for sure you need to listen to the broken record as well

I have to agree, it gets a little tiresome. By now they have made me sure i will never buy a horn system, especially not with SET tube amps ! And i will never listen to "live unamplified music "again in my life, in fear of becoming like them !

 

[Elliot G.]

I am going to a strip club tonight...which horn do I need LMAO

 

[sbo6]

Yes! Musical genre preference drives loudspeaker preference.

Curious why this is believed by some folks. If a speaker is capable of reproducing the source signal accurately with as low as possible distortion and at adequate level (based on the owners' personal preference), what role does the music type play?

 

[Lagonda]

You need the "Pure Platinum" horn with the "Solid Gold" stand !

I am going to a strip club tonight...which horn do I need LMAO

 

[sbo6]

What should I have for dinner---------------- Horns
What should I wear tonight--------------------horns
What car should I drive-----------------------------horns
Who should I sleep with -----------------------------horns
what color is the sky----------------------------------horns

LOL it never ends . One thing for sure you need to listen to the broken record as well

The problem IME with horns is - the vast majority sound like they look, very few don't.

 

[Elliot G.]

The problem IME with horns is - the vast majority sound like they look, very few don't.

I don't have an issue with anything just when its thrown up here as the answer and solution to everything no matter what the subject is just absurd.
If you like them buy them, I don't but the only one that should matter to is me!

 

[bonzo75]

The problem IME with horns is - the vast majority sound like they look, very few don't.

Why do you need a majority of a type of speaker?

 

[sbo6]

I don't have an issue with anything just when its thrown up here as the answer and solution to everything no matter what the subject is just absurd.
If you like them buy them, I don't but the only one that should matter to is me!

That's why my post began with, "IME". Is that not what we're all offering?

 

[thedudeabides]

There may be some snots and blowhards but I don't believe there is any forum member who believes his opinion is true for everyone.

That's a silly statement. One immediately comes to mind. Others run a close second. Of course, that is my subjective opinion.

 

[bonzo75]

. If you goal is to have your system sound like Metallica live in a football stadium I would suspect that your system will sound very different than someone that sits front row at Carnegie Hall and only listens to chamber music.

No same

Post in thread 'Rock and Drum videos thread'
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/rock-and-drum-videos-thread.31170/post-791921

Post in thread 'Rock and Drum videos thread'
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/rock-and-drum-videos-thread.31170/post-791979

 

[sbo6]

Why do you need a majority of a type of speaker?

I don't, but the few that sound very good are $$$$ and require a large room to sound optimal.

 

[PeterA]

Curious why this is believed by some folks. If a speaker is capable of reproducing the source signal accurately with as low as possible distortion and at adequate level (based on the owners' personal preference), what role does the music type play?

This is an interesting question and I think is irrelevant to the topic of believability.

What I think Ron is really saying without acknowledging it or realizing it, is that certain speaker typologies have limitations which do not lend themselves to all types of music. Another way to phrase it is that some speaker typologies are less balanced, and therefore better at specific areas of reproduction and therefore more suitable for specific types of music.

We are told that everything is a compromise. That must include speakers. There are trade-offs. Such a premise conditions us to think that certain typologies are more suitable for reproducing some types of music than others. However, some type apologies are more broadly good with fewer trade-offs. Those are more capable of reproducing a broader range of music more believably.

Difficult to drive speakers of limited range and scale are less capable of reproducing convincingly a large orchestra playing a symphony, as just one example.

 

[thedudeabides]

In that case, this is the last response you will get to a post from me as it is clear it would be a complete waste of time to engage further.

Bingo. One of the main reasons most common folks eschew hi end audio. Elitism.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Why do you need a majority of a type of speaker?

At least he has a pair of speakers .
Designed by one of the most talented designers im the industry

 

[PeterA]

The problem IME with horns is - the vast majority sound like they look, very few don't.

I can see that. But in you experience is this any less so with other speaker types?

 

[bonzo75]

At least he has a pait of speakers .
Designed by one of the most talented designers im the industry

How is that relevant to the question?

 

[bonzo75]

I can see that. But do you think this is any less so with other speaker types?

Would you buy a speaker because majority of the type sound similar and all bad, or if majority sound different, many bad, and some extremely good

 

[Al M.]

I have to agree, it gets a little tiresome. By now they have made me sure i will never buy a horn system, especially not with SET tube amps ! And i will never listen to "live unamplified music "again in my life, in fear of becoming like them !

For me it's not that dramatic.

I very much enjoy listening to good SETs/horns, but I haven't had an epiphany yet why I should switch. At this point it seems unlikely that this epiphany will come, but you never know.

But yes, the incessant proclamation by some posters that SETs/horns are best (for everyone, that is) does get tiresome (fortunately, not all SET/horn owners are that way). It reminds you of those zealots who keep knocking on the door of your house with certain pamphlets until you swear to yourself that you will never open your door for them again

I also very much enjoy and appreciate good vinyl playback, contra those who falsely claim that I am incurable in that regard (I guess I don't neatly fit into their rigid mental boxes). Yet also here I haven't had an epiphany yet of why I should buy a vinyl rig.

Of course, on both counts I am OBJECTIVELY WRONG, according to at least one poster. I don't have the right ears, and I also don't have the right records.

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Hey, I'll take that. Just like I still carry proudly the label "AARP audiophile" as a badge of honor , given to me by someone who didn't appreciate that instead of streaming on my system I still have old-fashioned physical CD playback (I stream on laptop and headphones, or on my phone, thank you very much).

 

[andromedaaudio]

How is that relevant to the question?

Its not really (my mistake.)

 

[Lagonda]

This is an interesting question and I think is irrelevant to the topic of believability.

What I think Ron is really saying without acknowledging it or realizing it, is that certain speaker typologies have limitations which do not lend themselves to all types of music. Another way to phrase it is that some speaker typologies are less balanced, and therefore better at specific areas of reproduction and therefore more suitable for specific types of music.

We are told that everything is a compromise. That must include speakers. There are trade-offs. Such a premise conditions us to think that certain typologies are more suitable for reproducing some types of music than others. However, some type apologies are more broadly good with fewer trade-offs. Those are more capable of reproducing a broader range of music more believably.

Difficult to drive speakers of limited range and scale are less capable of reproducing convincingly a large orchestra playing a symphony, as just one example.

And horns of the type that classic music lovers prefer, are both too limited in the bass response and too bright/ honest in the treble for the majority of modern music. Music that has never been recorded, mixed or mastered with horn speakers and SET amps. This music has almost always been recorded using conventional dynamic speakers with SS amps. Yes type of music you listen to can definitely steer you towards a speaker/amp type.