Modern speakers vs Vintage speakers

[DasguteOhr]

Pure speculation. These are Japanese caps, neither Bosch nor Siemens. They may be MP, although not very likely, considering the year of manufacture. I have very similarly looking Siemens caps which are polyprops in oil, so we can only hazard guesses what's inside these cans.

I rarely speculate, when you convert crossovers you look at the parts you want to replace.
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As for MP caps, some of the Siemens MP i have, from the sixties, are among the best sounding caps i have ever come across, especially in the midrange. They have worked for decades at high polarising voltages and still have not developed any significant leakage. Capacitance is also as advertised. At the generally low voltages applied to speaker networks good quality MP caps may last for centuries.

I said check if they don't have their values, replace them. I would replace them immediately.

Ironically, entire batches of Solen PP from the early nineties turned into dead shorts just sitting pretty on the shelf. I have a few.

There are already components that I replace without checking them because there are always potential sources of error, e.g. in vintage Japanese amps electrolytic capacitors because they are attached with glue which will permanently degrade the circuit board.

My favorite vintage cap Röderstein before Vishay was acquired, where quality was still the priority and not profit maximization was the highest goal

 

[mtemur]

You don't really believe that Yamaha is allowed to write nonsense on its website without anyone objecting.

I don’t know if Yamaha has written nonsense on its website or not but I know if those drivers on NS-1000 are pure beryllium then he is Michael Jackson:

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...ah, you can just feel the love.

 

[DasguteOhr]

I don’t know if Yamaha has written nonsense on its website or not but I know if those drivers on NS-1000 are pure beryllium then this is Michael Jackson:

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Orignal beryllium tweeter typ ja 0548a,maybe you have titanium replicas from yamaha Unscrew and take a look. Beryllium drivers break immediately when an amp clips. The voice coil is wafer-thin.
can be recognized by the colored dome, beryllium is ash gray.
that I had here for repair were original.

 

[Audiohertz2]

1974 the first beryllium tweeter& dome midrange driver in the world.
Evil tongues claim that TAD bought diaphragms from Yamaha in 1975 before developing their own. The Xover is Achilles' heel. Many electrolytic caps. Refurbish them, and you have a very good speaker. NS 2000 13" bass driver goes down to 30hz, ns 1000 goes down to 50hz need a subwoofer

Here troel done some xover mods on a ns 1000 perhaps you can use some of his insights. Congrats, Sansui amps from these era—a fantastic sounding device. Beautiful tone.

Yamaha-NS1000

P.S berylium cantilever too

You like Sansui amps ? always bought them on the looks , sold them because of the sound…

Which models were your favorite…?

 

[Lautreamont]

I have a Sansui AU 9500 myself and I do appreciate its sound. Therefore I also made an inquiry regarding the Yamaha NS2000 since I believe it would be a perfect match for my Sansui.

I'm not sure about this whole debate - whether the Yamaha NS2000 is a masterpiece or not that great. I have to listen to it myself. Anyway it appears that there are a lot of speakers that were incredible without being "ultra high end". I have heard great words about Jordan Watts speakers.

I have also contemplated engaging in a DIY project but this too seems a bit risky. Anyway I read a lot about the TAD drivers and they supposed to be great, especially the 4001 with "pure" beryllium diaphragm.

 

[DasguteOhr]

You like Sansui amps ? always bought them on the looks , sold them because of the sound…

Which models were your favorite…?

Aux111 tube amp / Au 717/ Au 919 extrem bandwidth dc - 2Mhz / AU 907 beautiful amp special parts in there.
Exsample before refurbish and after au717

Au907 such quality is not built today, and if it is, it costs over 20k




The king of intigrated amps, phantastic phono section, tape head amp.
All sansui amp have beautiful tonality ,70th and 80th the best sounding amps. The 717 was one of the best-selling amps.






P.S i forget ba 60 power amp

 

[DasguteOhr]

When you need a good tube preamp sansui ca 303 shematics simlar Marantz 7
Special a active tube xover 2- 3 way inthere the better marantz 7

 

[Audiohertz2]

Aux111 tube amp / Au 717/ Au 919 extrem bandwidth dc - 2Mhz / AU 907 beautiful amp special parts in there.
Exsample before refurbish and after au717View attachment 158986View attachment 158987

Au907 such quality is not built today, and if it is, it costs over 20k

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The king of intigrated amps, phantastic phono section, tape head amp.
All sansui amp have beautiful tonality ,70th and 80th the best sounding amps. The 717 was one of the best-selling amps.


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P.S i forget ba 60 power ampView attachment 158990

Had many myself ,

AU717, AU20000 , BA3000,BA5000, AU9090. Also their 3 way electronic xover cant recall model ..

Always loved the look and potential , compared to Pioneer Spec series , big Yamaha and big Onkyo, Sansui/BA was dark with way less drive.

They were all the JAP power houses along with Accuphase of the era ..

 

[Audiohertz2]

When you need a good tube preamp sansui ca 303 shematics simlar Marantz 7
Special a active tube xover 2- 3 way inthere the better marantz 7
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Never seen nor heard …!

 

[DasguteOhr]

Had many myself ,

AU717, AU20000 , BA3000,BA5000, AU9090. Also their 3 way electronic xover cant recall model ..

Always loved the look and potential , compared to Pioneer Spec series , big Yamaha and big Onkyo, Sansui/BA was dark with way less drive.

They were all the JAP power houses along with Accuphase of the era ..

I can't quite understand that. Sansui has beautiful colours, and the high resolution never sounds harsh or aggressive. Well, everyone hears differently and how things should sound.

P.S
The problem is that people buy such a device and don't have it serviced, and then they say it sounds bad. People are stingy, don't investing €700-1000 in an old device. If they did, they'd quickly realize that you can't get a device that sounds as good for under €10,000 these days.

 

[Kingrex]

I don’t know if Yamaha has written nonsense on its website or not but I know if those drivers on NS-1000 are pure beryllium then he is Michael Jackson:

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Wow. Michael is still alive. And looking good.

 

[Jägerst.]

A range of older, particularly pro oriented speaker designs were so capably done that many of their contemporary iterations - incl. not least the hi-fi segment - fall short. Businesses are growing large, there's market competition, materials must conform to environmental demands (also affecting the likes of capacitor life), corners need to be cut, product weight has to be reduced, etc. etc. You often get feeling that speaker business in the present day milieu isn't so much about adhering to physics and a form-follows-function approach with the mentality of "If it needs to be done, it needs to be done." Rather it's about trying to minimize the negative effects of the above mentioned, so the engineering goals seem to be more about working around obstacles than trying to maximize the sonic potential and reliability of products from a more carte blance mindset.

Commenting on audiophile forums on this matter will typically elicit strong reactions. It seems to offend many when implying newer speaker designs don't always equate into better sonics, sometimes even to the contrary. A good example is my recent acquisition of a pair of active Stage Accompany speakers built in 1990. They've been fully restored and feature a high sensitivity planar magnetic driver from 1-30kHz and a 15" high eff. woofer. The two drivers alone weigh in excess of 40 pounds, and the built-in class A/B amplifier stage weighs at least as much. High quality stuff that merges high output with great sound quality at a reasoable price. They may not cater to the aesthetically sensitive, but last I looked sound mattered more than looks (or else, of course: to each their own).

They're provisionally placed on their flight cases until dedicated stands are made.

 

[Zeotrope]

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[Zeotrope]

"Awful" is awfully unspecific.

Would you please tell us in detail and with comparisons to other systems why you did not care for sound of that system?

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[Ron Resnick]

I don't want to say more because I like the dealer and I think the "problem" is my system is very very good (and I'm not trying to brag). It's also more expensive that what I auditioned, but not much more... I'm also comparing a midrange which cannot be purchased anymore with a speakers I had built and managed myself. So it's not a fair comparison...

I should add that with electronic music the speakers were impressive but I don't listen to electronic music.

So the system you were describing as "awful" was not, actually, awful. You just don't like it as much as you like your own system.

This is not a surprise. Many audiophiles love breaking their arms patting themselves on the back for achieving at home -- to their subjective ears -- "better" sound than a much more expensive system.

Hyperbole and the gross over-quantification of subjective differences go both ways in this hobby.

 

[Zeotrope]

The funny thing is that I am not in that camp and I am starting to look for a second system in a second home. So there is no "bias" here... if anything I wanted to love them as I start to create a short-list for my next system.

 

[Zeotrope]

Edited to remove the names of the speakers and amps. I really didn't want to single these out.