I said I would never buy another Turntable...Argh !!!
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Jarek, so subtle I have no idea.
They haven't replaced the Vibraplane with a Stacore, have they?!
Even yr platforms would struggle w these weights.
They haven't replaced the Vibraplane with a Stacore, have they?!
Even yr platforms would struggle w these weights.
i think David responded about that here
and it's fair that i have no idea what anyone else paid for their AS, it's none of my business.
it's probably better for me to withdraw from any price conjecture. i'm out of my depth and not a TechDas intender in any case. let's get back to performance and design.
They should
No problem, we can make platforms with virtually unlimited weight capacity. This technology scales very nicely.
Cheers,
Jarek, I'm out of such uber heavy tt rigs myself. I'm listening in an attic roof space w suspended floor.
My money is on the new intended Technics SP10R as my final final tt purchase if my current analog doesn't match up to the server/dac I'm planning to buy next yr.
My money is on the new intended Technics SP10R as my final final tt purchase if my current analog doesn't match up to the server/dac I'm planning to buy next yr.
It seems to me that any discussion of the pricing of new American Sound is sort of besides the point. This is a one-off effort with I think six (6) total units being made. We know of at least four which are spoken for just to WBF members. It is not a commercially available product like the TechDas AF1 is. Give the excitement generated by this one thread, I bet David could have sold many more of these if he had the motors and control units. Their number is limited so the production run of the table is limited, at least this is my understanding from this thread.
The other aspect about the pricing which has only been mentioned in passing is this: it seems to me that this is a direct to friends/family/early adopters (while they last) kind of arrangement. It is for intents and purposes, a whole sale deal to the lucky purchasers through David directly. There is no middle distribution channel or party who takes his cut, so it does not have the mark up that conventional dealer/distributor supported products incur. If I understand what has been mentioned, the price of this at wholesale to the buyers is roughly the same as the full US retail price of the TD AF1, which I think is around $100+K. If the AS table went through similar channels, and it was a production component, then the price would be much higher.
I am interested in learning a bit more about the belt. What is it made of? Is it compliant? Does the amount of "free" belt not wrapped around or in contact with the drive pulley or platter matter? I presume it takes a while for the platter to get up to speed, but I really don't know. I read Marc write that it is a high torque motor. Is this true or is it a low/med torque motor that relies on the inertia of the massive platter to keep accurate and consistent speed. I assume all of these things were thoroughly investigated in the 70s when the original AS table was designed but I am curious to learn what the details actually are.
Dear Khun Tang,
I use a thin leather mat but you know how they are, too thin and sound is harsh too thick it's dead and dark, you need just right
david
David, are you and Tang talking about the same thing? I thought Tang was suggesting a thin layer of leather under the turntable plinth or steel plate and above the rack support. It seems you are talking about a record mat between the LP and the platter.
Just to put all this conjecture to rest; AS isn't a commercial product and there's not going to be a production run, it's limited only to this one very small individually hand machined lot. Reference to AF-1's retail price was just an indicator that it's in the 6 figures, those who got one understood this and are the only ones who know the actual cost. Further, aside from floatation principle there's no similarity conceptually, intellectually, physically, mechanically and certainly sonically between AS and Techdas turntables. I have my AF1 too!
david
david
My mistake, of course anything the turntable is sitting on and comes in contact with can have an effect. Right now I use some industrial rubber under the tt's feet.
The motor is high torque but but amount of torque and speed is regulated by the motor controller in operation, it's not running at max all the time. There's no servo, feedback look or speed controller. Speed is adjusted by changing frequency in the motor controller you adjust it the once manually according to your electricity, belt tension and motor's parameters. Supplied belt is none compliant but one can experiment with different types including thread.
david
Hi David, no way am I comparing my inauspicious direct rim drive tt to your masterpiece.
But my motor also has no feedback or servo, one sets the speed, and corrects at intervals when needed.
The designer tried prototypes w servos and feedback, but despite speed staying more stable over longer time periods, the resultant sound was colder and less involving due presumably to "hunt/correct" jitter.
Fascinating to see your cost no object example also jettisons the idea of close control and moment to moment speed adjustments, presumably for the same reasons.
But my motor also has no feedback or servo, one sets the speed, and corrects at intervals when needed.
The designer tried prototypes w servos and feedback, but despite speed staying more stable over longer time periods, the resultant sound was colder and less involving due presumably to "hunt/correct" jitter.
Fascinating to see your cost no object example also jettisons the idea of close control and moment to moment speed adjustments, presumably for the same reasons.
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Let me help hyping this tt
"You never actually own an American Sound. You merely look after it for the next generation."
Now Patek Philippe will sue me.
Tang
Brilliant. I was just mentioning to David tonight that this TT should last me until the pine box..I'm 55 now.
Let me help hyping this tt
"You never actually own an American Sound. You merely look after it for the next generation."
Now Patek Philippe will sue me.
Tang
Look at that!
david
I own one of the last Barco CRT projectors, certainly there are only one or two in the UK.
Some parts are unobtanium, and there is only one tech here who can fix it.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't break down.
I do hope these one of a kind AS-2000 motors are able to be sorted if they fault.
Some parts are unobtanium, and there is only one tech here who can fix it.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't break down.
I do hope these one of a kind AS-2000 motors are able to be sorted if they fault.
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