dCS Varese short review

[mtemur]

Do you consider that the great majority of forum members that are not actively participating are not vinyl listeners? That "WBF members" are just a few dozens?

I said "vinyl lovers" not "vinyl listeners".

Proved since long with CDSs - we get an exact copy of the distribution master.

Certainly not. Please do some research. back in the day master was a video file on a U-matic tape now a digital file with a higher sample rate. They're coded/encrypted to cut the glass master.

No, they will not. First, most times the original master is not adequate to being reproduced - it needs mastering. Second, they will not kill the gold egg chicken - future re-masters can generate more money.

This has been exposed in articles in classic music magazines several times, it is not an audiophile subject.

Master file is mastered especially in today's terms. No producer gives the exact master file to streaming services. Actually no producer if he/she is not stupid.

You are addressing playback problems. Even our glasses can negatively impact sound quality.

Playback problems do count unless you found a way to stream music telepathically.

 

[Elliot G.]

Yes, you prioritize sound quality, just like I do, and each of us has his own priorities and values. That is why some prefer LPs. You prefer streaming files over Qobouz and have explained many times why you dropped vinyl.

yes these discussions are mostly paralysis by analysis and to me just the same old stuff over and over. I don't care to me its all about the music.
Listen to what you want trying to convince others that they are wrong is in todays world comedic

 

[PeterA]

yes these discussions are mostly paralysis by analysis and to me just the same old stuff over and over. I don't care to me its all about the music.
Listen to what you want trying to convince others that they are wrong is in todays world comedic

I actually disagree with this and MikeL's earlier post that we try to convince others that our way is right and that they are wrong. I do not see much of that. I see disagreements, mostly about individual preferences. Some preaching for sure. I mostly see people supporting their own preferences and values, and those of their tribe, and being just fine with others doing exactly what they want to do.

I am sure that you do not care at all to what music or how I listen. And I don't care what you do. The difference is that I am just a hobbyist on a forum sharing. You are also just sharing your opinions, until you start talking your book. Then there are other interests. And we all see that and understand it. Whether intended or not, your posts then take on additional interpretations. That is just the way it is.

 

[bonzo75]

Yes, you prioritize sound quality, just like I do

Those who prefer digital do not prioritise SQ, they prioritise convenience provided they stick to tweak free streaming. And they prioritise costs provided they keep them below a decent vinyl set up plus LP collection cost threshold

 

[treitz3]

@bonzo75 that is simply not true. Please stop with the absolutist, generalized and false statements. It's against the TOS of the forum.

There are people across the globe that enjoy vinyl, digital and tape. You are stating falsehoods that are simply not true or appreciated. You can consider this an official and formal warning because the reminders about this are getting rather tiresome.

Tom

 

[PeterA]

Those who prefer digital do not prioritise SQ, they prioritise convenience provided they stick to tweak free streaming. And they prioritise costs provided they keep them below a decent vinyl set up plus LP collection cost threshold

That's what I had assumed, but I took Elliot at his word. He tells us that he chose the streaming service based on relative improved SQ over other services. I do not know about these SQ streaming differences. Yes, they are all more convenient compared to alternatives. I respect his choices based on his stated preferences and values.

 

[DasguteOhr]

For good cd copy to harddrive use EAC with with a plextor px 230A cd rom( the king of drives used on ebay)

PX-230A

Plextor is one of the leading global manufacturers of high reliability, high performance personal storage devices in the market. It is also one of the original pioneers of CD technology.

plextor-europe.com

The Plextor was able to remove nearly all errors on extraction and the few of them are below -60 dB(A)! Speed 4x read.
Use Verbatim blank CDs for the lowest error rate. Listen to original CDs vs. copies. Judge for yourself, you'll be surprised.

 

[bonzo75]

That's what I had assumed

I have been corrected. It is possible that they prioritise SQ and still choose digital and choose to pay big money for it.

 

[Elliot G.]

I actually disagree with this and MikeL's earlier post that we try to convince others that our way is right and that they are wrong. I do not see much of that. I see disagreements, mostly about individual preferences. Some preaching for sure. I mostly see people supporting their own preferences and values, and those of their tribe, and being just fine with others doing exactly what they want to do.

I am sure that you do not care at all to what music or how I listen. And I don't care what you do. The difference is that I am just a hobbyist on a forum sharing. You are also just sharing your opinions, until you start talking your book. Then there are other interests. And we all see that and understand it. Whether intended or not, your posts then take on additional interpretations. That is just the way it is.

what book is that Peter? I am a dealer and a distributor that is not a secret and I choose my products in my place the same way I choose for myself. I unlike many others am not a Costco of products just to sell someone a box. My book is my life of experience that you don't have. Do you question the authenticity of every persons skills that you come in contact with? Do you tell your DR or Lawyer that you are a hobbyist and that you know better than them. I find the comment truly insulting.
Coming from the Natural Sound thing I think you are way out of bounds and out of line.

 

[Elliot G.]

Those who prefer digital do not prioritise SQ, they prioritise convenience provided they stick to tweak free streaming. And they prioritise costs provided they keep them below a decent vinyl set up plus LP collection cost threshold

could in any world, universe, place in time and space or any other criteria ever accept that you may be wrong? One does not need a collection of old records to listen nor know what one wants. IMO this is just prejudicial gibberish.

 

[Elliot G.]

The best part of this thread is that two people that don't like digital, don't own digital have to tell all of those who do that they know better.

 

[pk_LA]

The best part of this thread is that two people that don't like digital, don't own digital have to tell all of those who do that they know better.

Second best part: Declarations and comparisons based on no actual experience or tangible knowledge.

 

[microstrip]

I said "vinyl lovers" not "vinyl listeners".

Certainly not. Please do some research. back in the day master was a video file on a U-matic tape now a digital file with a higher sample rate. They're coded/encrypted to cut the glass master.

I am not addressing the prehistoric digital times. The same CD tittle, pressed in different plants at different times, still show to have exactly the same bit content.

You are addressing sensitivity of some CD readers to the pit distribution in CDs. A very different matter.

Master file is mastered especially in today's terms. No producer gives the exact master file to streaming services. Actually no producer if he/she is not stupid.

Unfortunately it is hard to check the bit content of streaming and compare with downloads - only streamer or DAC manufacturers can do it easily. I asked the question in WBF and Emile assured us that with Qobuz it was the same, this bit content wasn't the question.

I know music pirate software (stream rippers or something alike) also bypass the streaming encrypting information and assure bit exact recording, but I do not rely on their information.

Playback problems do count unless you found a way to stream music telepathically.

As you choose to ignore current facts on digital, just your imagination fed by outdated information, you now switch to humor?

 

[spiritofmusic]

There is a joke about french Citroen cars from the 60's and 70's. They were great cars, extremely comfortable due to innovative pneumatic suspensions and performant motors, but unfortunately not very reliable. In car magazine enquires Citroen car owners reported a high number of frequent individual problems involving service, but when asked at the end if they considered the car reliable, the proud Citroen owners always gave it four or five stars!

You do know I owned a 1968 Citroen DS21?

 

[Al M.]

The best part of this thread is that two people that don't like digital, don't own digital have to tell all of those who do that they know better.

It certainly is entertaining.

 

[Elliot G.]

Second best part: Declarations and comparisons based on no actual experience or tangible knowledge.

as i said earlier two vegans reviewing steak houses!

 

[mtemur]

For good cd copy to harddrive use EAC with with a plextor px 230A cd rom( the king of drives used on ebay)

PX-230A

Plextor is one of the leading global manufacturers of high reliability, high performance personal storage devices in the market. It is also one of the original pioneers of CD technology.

plextor-europe.com

The Plextor was able to remove nearly all errors on extraction and the few of them are below -60 dB(A)! Speed 4x read.
Use Verbatim blank CDs for the lowest error rate. Listen to original CDs vs. copies. Judge for yourself, you'll be surprised.

Actually it's (Plextor) not the best. I used "Made In Japan" Plextor back in the day along with Pioneer, Yamaha F1 and some others. Panasonic UJ898 is a better drive. Setting correct write and read offsets and doing a test read before actual read instead of relying on "accurate rip database" ensures perfect copies. You shouldn't set a read speed just let the driver decide but you should set the lowest possible write speed for best performance.

Verbatim is not the best CD-R either. The best is Mitsui Gold (MAM-A). Second best is Taiyo Yuden make CD-R for various brands. I managed to make an identical copy of an XRCD with those (Panasonic drive, Mitsui made MOFI CD-R, EAC with correct setting and use.) back in the day. Neither Plextor nor Verbatim did perform well during my tests.

BTW relying on the drive for reporting and correcting C2 errors is not the best way.

 

[bonzo75]

as i said earlier two vegans reviewing steak houses!

As I said earlier those drinking 1000 dollar Evian reviewing Wine

 

[Al M.]

I have been corrected. It is possible that they prioritise SQ and still choose digital and choose to pay big money for it.

What do you consider big money in that context?

 

[PeterA]

what book is that Peter? I am a dealer and a distributor that is not a secret and I choose my products in my place the same way I choose for myself. I unlike many others am not a Costco of products just to sell someone a box. My book is my life of experience that you don't have. Do you question the authenticity of every persons skills that you come in contact with? Do you tell your DR or Lawyer that you are a hobbyist and that you know better than them. I find the comment truly insulting.
Coming from the Natural Sound thing I think you are way out of bounds and out of line.

Your book Elliot is the selection of products you have chosen to represent. I certainly assume you like those products. The point I am trying to making is that I’m not telling you how you should listen to music and you’re not telling me how I should listen to music. I don’t see members here on this forum doing that the way you suggested in your earlier post. I just don’t see it. I do think there’s a difference between a hobbyist and a dealer. You have much more experience than I do and you know much more about the hobby and various products than I do. That is fine and as is to be expected. We are not competitors, you and I. We are just having a discussion on an audio forum. Everyone knows that you are a dealer from your signature and your long history in the hobby.

I have no idea what your last comment about natural sound has to do with anything. But that’s OK.