So why the ‘Like’ for the Sure / iphone subsequently ! You have always been for the hair shirt iphone only standard
Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings
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I bought a Zoom IQ7…will use it in Munich
i will also take my Tascam DR-100 Mkiii along and do some side by side recording for comparison…should be interesting.
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So why the ‘Like’ for the Sure / iphone subsequently ! You have always been for the hair shirt iphone only standard
I am not saying that should, or will change, because not all will get Shure. But good that Ron is trying, it is only a good thing if we have 20 other audiophiles posting videos on this forum all to one standard.
Not everyone has the same phone…same problem…just a better sounding problem than phone alone.
Agree … however that has always been the Achilles heal of attempting to created a reference standard as some sort of ‘tool’ in remotely evaluating such hugely disparate equipment , systems , environment etc.
Bingo ! Just one of so many incongruous variables.
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I uploaded a new version of the video, I was not too happy with the previous one (changed the link in my previous message).
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I recorded it at a slightly lower volume, and changed the speaker and mic placement slightly.
Funny how this track is in fact quite challenging to play and record properly! It is really interesting to listen to the original version on (good) headphones and compare that with one's speakers. It is sobering!
edit: still not happy with this. My left speaker is not well positioned. Back to work on it (sigh)...
Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings
Thank you for posting that video of live music Rexp. I hear a lot of energy but mostly just how dynamic it is. It’s likely tipped up a little bit because of all the reflection from that glass wall. I don’t really hear the bass player.
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I recorded it at a slightly lower volume, and changed the speaker and mic placement slightly.
Funny how this track is in fact quite challenging to play and record properly! It is really interesting to listen to the original version on (good) headphones and compare that with one's speakers. It is sobering!
edit: still not happy with this. My left speaker is not well positioned. Back to work on it (sigh)...
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One thing you'll notice is that the Suncoast audio video, recorded with a single microphone, has practically no channel seperation, contrary to the original track. My recording with a dual microphone (ORTF) has a tad more than the Suncoast video, but the channels are still mixed.
Just something to keep in mind when you compare the original track on headphones, with an in-room recording.
Just something to keep in mind when you compare the original track on headphones, with an in-room recording.
I would be surprised if a single mic with a stereo element ever had much apparent channel separation, no?
Right. I’m stating the obvious, but its easy to forget.
Listening to the Suncoast video, it is clear that the system/room offers a lot of detail and good instrument seperation, which is nice, but when comparing with the original track I feel the tone is a bit light/bright. It lacks "body".This is even more obvious on "The Chain". Another aspect that struck me, again comparing to the original recording, is how the vocals, notably, are a little recessed and that could be due to the microphone placement.
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I do prefer the Suncoast/Shure version, seems more present and 3D. Do agree their Fleetwood Mac recording is not good, could be they played the 2004 remaster which sounds a tad harsh IMO. Also all their Shure recordings sound a tad lean compared to others I've heard so maybe its the mic setting. Lastly, they're using the MSB Digital Director, which I've also heard sound a tad clinical.So I was bold and recorded a version of that track on my system - be nice with me, I changed my speaker placement yesterday, am happy with it so please don't tell me it sounds like crap
Independently of the system, making a good recording is not so obvious! That’s why professionals do it...
It sounds pretty different than the version posted by Rexp! Better, worse, I don't know, and that's not really the point - listen to the original track and you can figure out the differences. Obviously some has to do with the systems being so different (after all, I'm using a simple RaspberryPi
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Listen with headphones...
Anyone else want to give it a shot ?
The majority of videos lately offer less than challenging music with studio recordings that are post-processed with various effects. This is what it would be like if you went to an audio show where the demos were all done with YouTube videos of Diana Krall. Outside the studio there are scant audio templates for reverb, delay, tremolo, artificial ambience, etc.etc.
I would like to hear videos of challenging acoustic music with acoustic instruments without effects or studio processing.
by controlled fashion I was referring to controlling what gear is presented, moved around, compared, or videos of a system presented over time at regular intervals, rather than one random upload. Not control in terms of playing Diana Krell or processing
Sure, okay. I was picking up on the notion having some standards, such as phone or add-on microphone. Re yr msg #883. None of that matters if the music is unuseable. You will remember it was not that long ago when Scherhazade was what people recorded.
Add-on mics might make for a better sounding video, but I'm pretty confident they don't change gauging believability.
The Fleetwood Mac track is definitely more challenging.
My recording is "muddy", and yes it sounds too flat. I need to check what is going on...
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Nice. I am assuming this is taken with your phone. Maybe you can post another video with the Shure mic when you receive it ?
The Suncoast video of "The Chain" has similar problems than with the Gordon Lightfoot track (but less obvious). They both sound harsh and cannot be listened to at high volume. The irony here is that they are trying to showcase a high end digital streamer...
I had another go at it today. My speakers were a little too far apart, and the mic is not as close. Still not terribly happy with the recording, but it sounds ok on my speakers. The tonality seems to me pretty good (more to my taste than on the Suncoast video) but it is too congested... There is room for improvement !
Hi hopkins!
Has your objective with this series of recording experiments on this track been to: 1) make the sound of the video as representative as possible of the sound you are hearing in the room, or 2) make the sound of the video as good as possible (on a standalone basis, separate and apart from what you are hearing in the room)?
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