Gian's system - Vyger-Opus vs Techdas AF3, SAT+Lyra Lambda

[nickif]

Nick should get the Technic direct drive with OMA plinth so that we have many flavors in the forum. Soundwise, I have no idea but it sure makes him a cool dude with uncommon equipment and then can rave about its sonic so much no one can't question because no one has heard. Just like me with ddk's tt.

Not a chance, never a fan of any Technics...

Michael

 

[howiebrou]

Thanks David! There’s a new model which is smaller but claimed to be sounding as good as the bigger one, am intrigued. The problem is there’s so little information on the website, from where I only got to know they use magnetic bearing and that’s it.

Michael

This one?

 

[nickif]

This one?View attachment 68835

Yes

 

[howiebrou]

Yes

Gorgeous tt.

 

[Tango]

Oh. It comes with a patented Tourbillion A. Lange & Sohne record weight.

 

[nickif]

Oh. It comes with a patented Tourbillion A. Lange & Sohne record weight.

This record weight alone costs a Rolex

 

[marmota]

I wonder which are the benefits (or sidegrades) of using the Thales tonearm and Topwing cartridge, plus the Dalby record weight VS the full Davinci setup (tonearm, cartridge & record weight) with the Davinci turntable. Is hard to imagine the Davinci tonearm and cartridge as being inferior, specially taking into account that it is a full, optimized setup by a manufacturer and not some mix and match of well reviewed components.

 

[andromedaaudio]

It looks like a turntable with mini LP disc player on top

 

[nickif]

I wonder which are the benefits (or sidegrades) of using the Thales tonearm and Topwing cartridge, plus the Dalby record weight VS the full Davinci setup (tonearm, cartridge & record weight) with the Davinci turntable. Is hard to imagine the Davinci tonearm and cartridge as being inferior, specially taking into account that it is a full, optimized setup by a manufacturer and not some mix and match of well reviewed components.

I‘ve got no experience with Da Vinci tonearm nevertheless regarding the Dalby Pirueta record weight, I did AB test with Da Vinci record weight as well as Dalby‘s own constellation record weight... all I can say is once you hear it, there’s no going back. I don’t have a clue why it works and how it works man, and trust me I truly wish it didn’t work as it’s darn expensive but again, once you hear it, you‘ll immediately want one.

 

[bonzo75]

I‘ve got no experience with Da Vinci tonearm nevertheless regarding the Dalby Pirueta record weight, I did AB test with Da Vinci record weight as well as Dalby‘s own constellation record weight... all I can say is once you hear it, there’s no going back. I don’t have a clue why it works and how it works man, and trust me I truly wish it didn’t work as it’s darn expensive but again, once you hear it, you‘ll immediately want one.

I sold off my Dalby to a friend but might buy it back. The Dalby works best on unsuspended tables, and if there is a vacuum the effect is only marginal. But on other tables it is wow. So when people do table compares, if your unsuspended vacuum less table can sound less good without Dalby, with it it can sound better. In fact it most certainly will.

 

[nickif]

I sold off my Dalby to a friend but might buy it back. The Dalby works best on unsuspended tables, and if there is a vacuum the effect is only marginal. But on other tables it is wow. So when people do table compares, if your unsuspended vacuum less table can sound less good without Dalby, with it it can sound better. In fact it most certainly will.

I had an early version Dalby too, the thing is if the old Dalby “wowed” you, you would be like “wtf” once hear the new one.

 

[Tango]

In audio you can pretty much season the sound with countless things. It is actually much more difficult to find a solution that add or subtract least to the sound imo. So it is really depend on a person's approach to sound on how he wants to hear it. I myself believe and from my experience find that a good vinyl has all the flavors in itself like a great beef or sushi. No need to season it in any way. So for me if a record weight does something extraordinary, it means either the system lacks something or something in the chain or the tt itself needs it to fill a hole. Or else you yourself like the extra taste that is not in the meat itself.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

I had an early version Dalby too, the thing is if the old Dalby “wowed” you, you would be like “wtf” once hear the new one.

I asked my friend as promised:

> For out and out sonics he prefers the Vyger but prefers the da Vinci for general usability

 

[Audiophile Bill]

In audio you can pretty much season the sound with countless things. It is actually much more difficult to find a solution that add or subtract least to the sound imo. So it is really depend on a person's approach to sound on how he wants to hear it. I myself believe and from my experience find that a good vinyl has all the flavors in itself like a great beef or sushi. No need to season it in any way. So for me if a record weight does something extraordinary, it means either the system lacks something or something in the chain or the tt itself needs it to fill a hole. Or else you yourself like the extra taste that is not in the meat itself.

Hi Tang,

If this utopian concept is true, why have all the TTs, arms and cartridges? They all have different flavours.
Everything has its sound from the materials used in your horns to the “elephant” being the room itself.

 

[ddk]

Hi Tang,

If this utopian concept is true, why have all the TTs, arms and cartridges? They all have different flavours.
Everything has its sound from the materials used in your horns to the “elephant” being the room itself.

It's not utopian, you can have a design with minimal sonic signature that is more transparent to the source or conversely a design with a strong signature homogenizing and adding a flavor or color to the sound, ie an effect or presentation always present in the playback.

david

 

[bonzo75]

You can have a design with minimal sonic signature that is more transparent to the source or conversely a design with a strong signature homogenizing and adding a flavor or color to the sound, ie an effect or presentation always present in the playback.

david

This is very generic David, and no different from having an arm board of brass or steel or ebony and saying it homogenizes sound. Again, this argument will be forever, which tonearm cable colors most and who has the most neutral cable

 

[Audiophile Bill]

It's not utopian, you can have a design with minimal sonic signature that is more transparent to the source or conversely a design with a strong signature homogenizing and adding a flavor or color to the sound, ie an effect or presentation always present in the playback.

david

That is true in and of itself but the system in its entirety in its room will be drastically different. I guarantee the bass response in his room is like the Himalayas which is not neutrality. Is what it is.

 

[ddk]

This is very generic David, and no different from having an arm board of brass or steel or ebony and saying it homogenizes sound. Again, this argument will be forever, which tonearm cable colors most and who has the most neutral cable

We're discussing a general concept Ked, transparent vs colored and homogenized not specifics, degrees of each nor particular materials and components.

That is true in and of itself but the system in its entirety in its room will be drastically different. I guarantee the bass response in his room is like the Himalayas which is not neutrality. Is what it is.

Yes, room, setup even electricity and grounding all play a part in the end result but you'll always have a colored and homogenized sound with gear that have strong sonic signatures. Think of some audiophile powercords and how they add to and change the sound of an system irrespective of components, room, etc.

david

 

[nickif]

I asked my friend as promised:

> For out and out sonics he prefers the Vyger but prefers the da Vinci for general usability

Thanks Bill, this is as expected as from Ked’s video clips above the Vyger is hard to beat.

 

[bonzo75]

Thanks Bill, this is as expected as from Ked’s video clips above the Vyger is hard to beat.

If you heard Vyger positives in the video it will be hard to beat for you. I have generally noticed that those who prefer these LT nuances prefer it to pivots. Because in real life those positives will be amplified. A Dalby affects the Vyger sound negatively though