Gian's system - Vyger-Opus vs Techdas AF3, SAT+Lyra Lambda

[andromedaaudio]

I have heard a coralstone zanden /magico set up once that sounded very satisfactory .
So it might be also set up here .
I dont know

 

[gian60]

I reduced the weight of Koetsu to 1.75 gr from 2 gr like Jack suggest and really is better,midbass less full and more transparent
Many thanks Jack

 

[gian60]

As I can see more or less Lambda and Opus like to everybody while Koetsu some like and some no
This afternoon I will do one video with a String Quartet from RR so you can understand how is natural,transparent and dynamic with SAT
By phone cannot listen like me at home but could be one idea can have

 

[ashandger]

I reduced the weight of Koetsu to 1.75 gr from 2 gr like Jack suggest and really is better,midbass less full and more transparent
Many thanks Jack

I had similar experience with my Koetsu Urushi when I had it. Looking forward to your new video with new setting.

 

[JackD201]

I reduced the weight of Koetsu to 1.75 gr from 2 gr like Jack suggest and really is better,midbass less full and more transparent
Many thanks Jack

Any time my friend

 

[marmota]

For people who likes different flavors with means to have three carts in possession, Gian's pick of these three brands will make you an "open minded" music lover than an hard core idealist audiophile. However what I just said imply to the Atlas SL instead of Atlas Lambda SL. So the three Musketeer would be CoralStone Diamond, Atlas SL and Opus1. The Lambda narrows the sonic difference between the Opus1 and SL. So to maximize the difference better put the normal SL in the three and you will have three different flavors.

What surprises me is the diamond coral stone. I had a coral stone but not the diamond one. I told Gian, put the coralstone on SAT and you will hear its best like you have not heard it before. I think the result hit Gian hard. Surprise me too because my normal coral stone didn't sound that good on the same SAT.

@marmota described the diamond as

"Incredible, it manages to convey the body of the instruments and the dynamic range, while not being sharp when reproducing the highest notes of the violins. Would listen for hours."

That is what I heard. I am sure Gian has the same impression and much more in real. I cannot get the body of violin like that out of my trusted first sword. It sounds like real violin or not you expert and idealist can debate forever. To say it sounds "Dead" can only come from our one and only Bonzo. Sure I also have my reservations on the diamond. I wrote to Gian and Ked the diamond highlighted main instruments being played. In Jazz Pawn the audience became more separated from sound scene instead of hearing the live event in a more whole holistic as should. And the sound from diamond is quite "pretty" or "color" by audiophile vocab. It just tells its own story of a musical recording. Very very attractive indeed.

Thank you Gian for going through so much to have us get a glimpse of these carts. By now you should be very proficient in setting up cart on SAT . We cannot get a chance to hear many equipments mentioned on forum. I am delighted to hear vyger vs Techdas. Techdas to me sounds like Techdas regardless of model except for the af0 which I never heard. In the next 6 months I will ask you what is your first sword. MikeL now has 3 Esturo easy to understand what his first sword. Aren't we all have our own way.

We have a similar (and unpopular) opinion, I'm humbled!

There's also a kind of sweetness when reproducing the triangle, Atlas or Opus may be more "accurate", but that body and high frequency reproduction, even if "prettier" than usual, is an incredibly compelling listen. In the videos is not something distracting, but a slight, unobtrusive (for me) addition.
Every time I read about Koetsu, everything that is said is: midrange, good for jazz or voices...and what I'm hearing in the videos leads me to think that it would be a great all-rounder for many genres and songs. Once I get a real, well paid job and pay mortgage, if Koetsu is still around (or even me LOL), I would love to try one at home. Is nice to dream and make plans!

 

[bonzo75]

We have a similar (and unpopular) opinion, I'm humbled!

There's also a kind of sweetness when reproducing the triangle, Atlas or Opus may be more "accurate", but that body and high frequency reproduction, even if "prettier" than usual, is an incredibly compelling listen. In the videos is not something distracting, but a slight, unobtrusive (for me) addition.
Every time I read about Koetsu, everything that is said is: midrange, good for jazz or voices...and what I'm hearing in the videos leads me to think that it would be a great all-rounder for many genres and songs. Once I get a real, well paid job and pay mortgage, if Koetsu is still around (or even me LOL), I would love to try one at home. Is nice to dream and make plans!

If you read everything that is said about hifi components, you will never pay back mortgage, and no job will pay well enough

 

[marmota]

If you read everything that is said about hifi components, you will never pay back mortgage, and no job will pay well enough

Sure! That's logical and correct, but let me clarify: after paying mortgage, free from loans of any kind and with solid disposable income. I'm a dreamer but not a hardcore gambler

 

[bonzo75]

Preference video 2 by a country mile. Video 1 sounds very odd (not breathing, less nuance, slightly odd tonally despite same carth.

2 nd vid much better , which is the vyger i suppose , fuller more natural
sound .
I can definetively hear the difference , which is quite amazing actually

Video 2 is Vyger, and 1 is the SAT with the lambda. As mentioned in the video post, the Vyger has a continuity, flow, nuance and musical swing. I listened to these videos and I found myself enjoying the track throughout with the Vyger. The SAT sounded like van Halen shredding. Very stop start. I thought it might be because I heard the Vyger video first and was just responding to the music. So I repeated many times. Each time the Vyger flowed through. Anyway this was one track on which this linear tracking benefit was very clear. Generally I enjoyed all these videos as well as SAT with lambda and Opus

 

[Tango]

The SAT sounded like van Halen shredding. Very stop start. I thought it might be because I heard the Vyger video first and was just responding to the music. So I repeated many times. Each time the Vyger flowed through. Anyway this was one track on which this linear tracking benefit was very clear. Generally I enjoyed all these videos as well as SAT with lambda and Opus

You are talking continuity and flow. Maybe you want to address the other as SAT/AF3P instead of just SAT. In my view, tt effects continuity and flow more than arm. You also seem to give less credit to the vyger tt itself and prize its LT more while sonic of the two is inseparable. If one pivot arm can put on one leg of Vyger would be great to find out how flow and continuity effected.

 

[bonzo75]

You are talking continuity and flow. Maybe you want to address the other as SAT/AF3P instead of just SAT. In my view, tt effects continuity and flow more than arm. You also seem to give less credit to the vyger tt itself and prize its LT more while sonic of the two is inseparable. If one pivot arm can put on one leg of Vyger would be great to find out how flow and continuity effected.

No I am just bored of spelling out the whole thing so taking short cut.

But yes for that particular video, I do notice a linear tracker effect having heard Vyger and Bergmann in many systems and also versa dynamics. The main benefit of Vyger over those other tables is better midbass, bass, authority. But the agility, continuity, nuance, the others have it.

Gian mentioned SAT had much more midbass and bass (this was evident on some other videos), the advantages for that particular track are not that much while lack of flow of violin stands out more

 

[PeterA]

Sorry Bonzo. I was going to put it in your "flow" thread but I saw a link to that discussion in this thread, a few pages back. I apologize for the distraction. Carry on.

EDIT: Post deleted as inappropriate for this thread. Kedar, you can delete your quote of my post as well if you want.

 

[bonzo75]

Gian sent me one of these with the koetsu on the SAT to upload. I heard it and immediately thought it was dead so asked him to share a Vyger lambda for comparison. The difference is easily discernible on this

 

[PeterA]

Gian sent me one of these with the koetsu on the SAT to upload. I heard it and immediately thought it was dead so asked him to share a Vyger lambda for comparison. The difference is easily discernible on this

Yes, very noticeable difference. I just don't know anything about the various components to understand what is responsible for the big difference in sound.

 

[bonzo75]

Yes, very noticeable difference. I just don't know anything about the various components to understand what is responsible for the big difference in sound.

If you go through the thread you might pick up some patterns, enough to make assumptions that you can confirm back with the owner or people who do have experience with this gear. Similar to a show but better controlled because at a show you get one system and that's it, here Gian has been playing the same across various combinations changing in steps

 

[djsina2]

So is the Vyger turntable faster?

 

[bonzo75]

So is the Vyger turntable faster?

The video is shorter, LP must have spun quicker

 

[christoph]

So is the Vyger turntable faster?

The old Rega trick

 

[bonzo75]

The old Rega trick

He was making a reference to the discussion on fast recently had on another thread

 

[Audiophile Bill]

The 2 Vyger TTs I previously owned (Atlantis and Indian Signature) measured very well indeed and were very good in terms of speed accuracy and precision. I uploaded them to the RPM database if anyone wants to see the data.