Ron’s New System

[DasguteOhr]

I don’t know what you’re saying here, or what you are coming at, Stephan.

All good , was a joke...back to topic

 

[Johan K]

If something is a big deal or not is in the eyes of the beholder, isn't it?

Again, I found nothing objectionable with that post which was just well-intentioned and did contain helpful advice.

Yea very much so…
A big deal, or no big deal is ofcourse in the eye of the beholder, but I wanna add ”common sense” here as a factor, which usually then becomes no big deal. But maybe not everyone knows how to use common sense… just saying.

If you found the post helpful, good for you .
Maybe I’m too full force forward on these things and not feel when things are light or heavy… it’s just comes along .. LOL.. !

 

[bonzo75]

But maybe not everyone knows how to use common sense… just saying.

If you found the post helpful, good for you .

He would have found it helpful

 

[Al M.]

He would have found it helpful

I knew all that stuff, nothing new for me, but I don't object to thoughtful reminders if one wants to give them. The health of your back is no small matter indeed.

 

[Johan K]

The health of your back is no small matter indeed.

I agree to that . Not easy being HULK !

 

[morricab]

I would think that the percentage difference between "daily bliss" and "almost never listening" would be a greater delta than 20%.

For example, if I found a system to be relentlessly edgy, bright and fatiguing, a 20% decrease in edginess, brightness and fatigue is not going to give me daily bliss.

I doubt it, in fact it might not be measurable and therefore much less than 20%.

 

[microstrip]

I would think that the percentage difference between "daily bliss" and "almost never listening" would be a greater delta than 20%.

For example, if I found a system to be relentlessly edgy, bright and fatiguing, a 20% decrease in edginess, brightness and fatigue is not going to give me daily bliss.

Applying percentages to a subjective hobby that has an extreme individual component is meaningless. The high-end is essentially an hyperbolic personal exercise - if we take this characteristic from it we become boring and reasonable audio consumers. Most of the time we compare apples with oranges, no scaling is possible.

 

[Atmasphere]

Applying percentages to a subjective hobby that has an extreme individual component is meaningless. The high-end is essentially an hyperbolic personal exercise - if we take this characteristic from it we become boring and reasonable audio consumers. Most of the time we compare apples with oranges, no scaling is possible.

I've had customers ask if one of our updates makes a 35% improvement or whatever and I've never had any idea what that even means.

 

[Audiohertz2]

The sales answer is yes, 50% with the 1K magic fuse …!

 

[Ron Resnick]

The question ^here^ is why was it edgy?
And how did that happen… i.e. what was the causal mechanism?

Is it the source, the speakers, preamp or the amp, or in a distant last… something else?

I don't see why that matters.

 

[bonzo75]

 

[jbrrp1]

He's a fool to not have them in a stereo pair configuration....

 

[PeterA]

I don't see why that matters.

I think he means if the edginess is caused by the amplifier or a bad tweeter, or a bad DAC, replacing the preamplifier may not result in a massive improvement.

Determine what the issue is and then address it if you’re looking for ways to improve the performance of your system.

 

[Lagonda]

What a junk of babling BS. Sorry for my language, but this is just another hifi component, so what’s the big deal?! Just unpack and lift the the component on to the the rack or whatever… It’s not a piece from outer space!! Just use some real muscle and don’t stand whining, and the job is done in a jiffy… Easy Peasy as One Two Three..!

/ Jk

And now tell Ralph wat we think about his cartridge loading nonsense !

 

[Atmasphere]

And now tell Ralph wat we think about his cartridge loading nonsense !

Clearly trolling. What I claim is easily heard and easily measured. Easy peasy.

Aristophanes and Heinlein were right.

 

[sbo6]

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Just saw this on FB

 

[sbo6]

My wife contends that a 300% pricier component producing a 30% improvement is a sign of 3000% listener insanity.
It's all a matter of where you place the decimal points.

Does she shop for wants? Politely use an analogy back on her. ;-)

 

[Holmz]

I don't see why that matters.

At hundreds of pages long the thread gets a bit hard to follow.

However @PeterA captured a lot of it:

I think he means if the edginess is caused by the amplifier or a bad tweeter, or a bad DAC, replacing the preamplifier may not result in a massive improvement.

Determine what the issue is and then address it if you’re looking for ways to improve the performance of your system.

The other part, and being hundreds of pages long…
Shows that equipment in flying through the doors in both directions to solve some problem that cannot even be intimated as to what it is.
It is like throwing spaghetti against the wall and seeing what sticks.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Until today I have had a firm policy that I will not put any WBF member on "ignore." This is because I wanted to be fully aware of all posting going on by everybody. I have now changed my mind on this policy.

One of my mid-year resolutions is that I am done interacting with any person, especially any audiophile, whom I find to be snarky or obnoxious or not a nice person for any reason. If I don't respond to you going forward you may suspect that it probably is because I put you on "ignore."

I have made a wide-ranging decision to focus my time on my friends. Life is too short to deal with as&@oles.

 

[Holmz]

Until today I have had a firm policy that I will not put any WBF member on "ignore." This is because I wanted to be fully aware of all posting going on by everybody. I have now changed my mind on this policy.

One of my mid-year resolutions is that I am done interacting with any person, especially any audiophile, whom I find to be snarky or obnoxious or not a nice person for any reason. If I don't respond to you going forward you may suspect that it probably is because I put you on "ignore."

Life is too short to deal with as$@oles.

^That is fine.^
(And I appreciate the explanation.)
For others following the thread though, there does not need to be a polorization between measurements and ears.

People such as @Atmasphere etc are designing gear using science and measurements.

The systems can be a bit more nuanced than just plugging in the various RCAs, and on the cutting edge some equipment can exhibit mechanisms that manifest themselves in less than optimal sound.

Know what is happening and why, is really interesting to me.
Others fine it less interesting or irksome.
That is fine, the world is big enough for everyone.