The 'Record Sounds Great but the Music Sucks' Thread

i do! theres an intermezzo that reminds my wife the jingle in a ralph lauren commercial for chaps...whatever ;) the lyrita recording is thin and excrutiating on CD, the early vinyl pressing is better.
Only vinyl, Puro, only vinyl. It's a classic example of something I bought (and more than one copy, I'd have to check which ones are Deccas and which ones are Nimbus, most of the Lyritas I bought early on and quite a few in the UK on trips there). I just don't listen to it. Maybe it doesn't suck, but it doesn't interest me. The La Folia album was amusing- I hadn't listened to it in years, and have alot of those Harmonia Mundi and Bis records. But, again, not sure it's something i'd fire up when I'm in the mood, if you know what I mean. The Plague, though. That's a record to warm the heart. :)
 
I like the Lyrita LP. The RR Arnold Dances is worlds better on tape (meaning there's a greater difference between this pair than other LPs). I just can't get into the sound of most of the RR discs.
You like it as music to listen to? I'm not arguing sonics.
 
You can pick up the ATR reissue (or see that Speakers Corner has also reissued La Folia) on Ebay. The ATR is different sounding but still very good nonetheless.
Myles, it wasn't as pricey as I thought. There was a copy for sale for over 500 bucks, but it was an SACD. I have the Harmonia Mundi vinyl. Like a medieval Music for Bang, Barroom and Harp.
 
Only vinyl, Puro, only vinyl. It's a classic example of something I bought (and more than one copy, I'd have to check which ones are Deccas and which ones are Nimbus, most of the Lyritas I bought early on and quite a few in the UK on trips there). I just don't listen to it. Maybe it doesn't suck, but it doesn't interest me. The La Folia album was amusing- I hadn't listened to it in years, and have alot of those Harmonia Mundi and Bis records. But, again, not sure it's something i'd fire up when I'm in the mood, if you know what I mean. The Plague, though. That's a record to warm the heart. :)

Imo, the music and interpretation of the lyrita english, scottish dances is way better than the recording. If you've listened to all of HPs superdics you know they're not all sonic blockbusters. you have to be a dusty fan to think casino royale is any good, "the look of love" isnt reference material in my book and or anyone elses that ive discussed that record with.
 
I actually like Diana Krall.

I will throw in anything from Chesky. Pure drivel IMO.

Here is a funny Krall story. The guys at Stereo Design here in San Diego told me about a customer who owns Wilson Maxx3 and listens to the same 5 "well recorded" CDs including Krall. His kids finally told him if he puts on those CDs again they were personally going to go into the listening room and smash his system to absolute ******* pieces. LOL.
 
You hear them over and over and over again at audio shows and audio dealerships. We all own at least a few of 'em. So 'fess up :D. It's the official The Record Sounds Great but the Music Sucks Thread'.

I'll start off with some low hanging fruit...Both of these artists have great voices but their choices of material and arrangements are not commensurate with their talent:

Patricia Barber...does it really matter what record?
Diana Krall...see above

At the risk of being branded a hi fi heretic I'll toss in this chestnut:

Ray Brown "Soular Energy". I"m a big Ray Brown fan and yes, the bass is well recorded, but the performances are uninspiring at best.

Funny that some time ago I mentioned on this forum that I wasn't sure if Patricia Barber was singing hip jazz or pretentious babble. I was leaning towards pretentious babble. If I ever hear the Sheffield Track album again I might just scream. I wonder if HP ever regretted his quote for the LP?
 
I actually like Diana Krall.

I will throw in anything from Chesky. Pure drivel IMO.

Here is a funny Krall story. The guys at Stereo Design here in San Diego told me about a customer who owns Wilson Maxx3 and listens to the same 5 "well recorded" CDs including Krall. His kids finally told him if he puts on those CDs again they were personally going to go into the listening room and smash his system to absolute ******* pieces. LOL.

Anything from Chesky? Clark Terry? Jon Faddis? The Harry Smiths? John Hammond Jr.? Jimmy Cobb? Pacquito d'Rivera? Oregon? McCoy Tyner? How about David's own compositions?
 
i think this subject falls into three catagories......

(1) well recorded, well played, musically 'fine', but overplayed relative to it's musical significance. Diana Krall, Patrica Barber, JITPS, For Duke, etc. etc.

the music sucks because we play it too much. it would not suck with an occasional play.

(2) bad performances that sound good. this is where the more musically informed among us cringe at the homage others pay to mediocre performances. i'm mostly on the un-informed side of this section and will leave it to others to I.D. these.

(3) what i call 'tinkle music'. listening to 'sounds'. and maybe this is a cultural divide too. what some cultures see as musically significant, others (like me) see as beautiful sounds but no soul or point. test tracks.

i find 'guilty pleasures' a whole separate catagory. that's where you find music that touches you that might be considered deviod of artistic value but something about it clicks. and who cares what that might be. it's music to you.
 
Myles, it wasn't as pricey as I thought. There was a copy for sale for over 500 bucks, but it was an SACD. I have the Harmonia Mundi vinyl. Like a medieval Music for Bang, Barroom and Harp.

I'll find the link for you for the Atr. It's from a fellow in Germany and they were running $30.
 
You like it as music to listen to? I'm not arguing sonics.

Yes :) But it is British music and the better of the composers IMHO :)
 
I actually like Diana Krall.

I will throw in anything from Chesky. Pure drivel IMO.

Here is a funny Krall story. The guys at Stereo Design here in San Diego told me about a customer who owns Wilson Maxx3 and listens to the same 5 "well recorded" CDs including Krall. His kids finally told him if he puts on those CDs again they were personally going to go into the listening room and smash his system to absolute ******* pieces. LOL.

Andre, you're at the wrong store none of design's customers actually 'listen' to music ;) unlimited accross town was the place to talk music, vinyl, etc. people like mike kaye and vernon (RIP) made that place tick with music lovers/collectors. design was an early adopter to digital whereas unlimited never really adopted it;) i think bruce still demos exclusively with vinyl and doesnt care if he looses sales over it. unlimited's vinyl sellection was pretty exceptional back in the day, no so much today.
 
Imo, the music and interpretation of the lyrita english, scottish dances is way better than the recording. If you've listened to all of HPs superdics you know they're not all sonic blockbusters. you have to be a dusty fan to think casino royale is any good, "the look of love" isnt reference material in my book and or anyone elses that ive discussed that record with.
Sacrilege, Rob. Yes, you are right, musically the Love of Love is banal, in the way that alot of that sixties adult contemporary stuff is. And her performance is not her best work. The recording is pretty good, but it's also not the best. So, I'll come out where you do on LoL. I'll re-listen to MArnold's English, Cornish and Scottish Dances. It's been years, partly because it just didn't grab me and was on the 'overplayed' list at one point. Some of the Lyritas I do listen to more are the Elizabeth McConchey symphony, George Lloyd- there were a couple, and that one with harsichord music, which was a kick.
 
Yes :) But it is British music and the better of the composers IMHO :)

See my comment to Puro re a couple of the other Lyritas -all British, all the time, that I do listen to more often than the Malcolm Arnold record, but I am going to give the latter another go. It's been years. One of the things I like about the forum is the music discussion, for this reason.....
 
Funny that some time ago I mentioned on this forum that I wasn't sure if Patricia Barber was singing hip jazz or pretentious babble. I was leaning towards pretentious babble. If I ever hear the Sheffield Track album again I might just scream. I wonder if HP ever regretted his quote for the LP?
Modern Cool hasn't been for me- too much affect, and I'm somebody who was a die-hard rickie lee jones fan for years. I don't mind Diana Krall at all, maybe because I like alot of the 'standards'- her band on live in paris is phenomenal. But, admittedly, we are getting into matters of personal taste when we take on a 'which music sucks' topic. As I mentioned to our brethren in the Philippines, they apparently banned the singing of 'My Way' in Karaoke bars there because people were murdering each other over their performances of the song.
 
The funny thing is that which music that suck can actually be heavenly to another. The audio press started to talk about good recordings, meaning good sonics as opposed to your personal favorite music artists. I learned that during the time when I bought my first few issues of TAS in the mid 80s (Issue 30s) and I began reading about how great this or that record sounds. In my trips to Tower Records at Columbus and Bay, I picked up some of them, flew 5000 miles home and discovered that I couldn't stand a minute of the music it was playing. Oh that was an awful feeling. To have such high expectations from a magazine review and sinking to a depth I never thought it would. And guess what, when I put if up for sale in a local ad, the buyer practically embraced me for selling him such record. :D And later on I realized I was in the wrong genre, hard hard rock. Some great recordings has to grow on you. Those titles of Harmonia Mundi comes to mind. When I bought the first 2 albums of Patricia Barber on CD in the 90s, I sold it after a few plays. I hear my friends say how good sounding they are and I bought the LPs again a few years ago, and I actually rediscovered it, mainly on the great sonics. I'm still not a fan of her singing, but I'm keeping Cafe Blue as it has grown on me.
 
Andre, you're at the wrong store none of design's customers actually 'listen' to music ;) unlimited accross town was the place to talk music, vinyl, etc. people like mike kaye and vernon (RIP) made that place tick with music lovers/collectors. design was an early adopter to digital whereas unlimited never really adopted it;) i think bruce still demos exclusively with vinyl and doesnt care if he looses sales over it. unlimited's vinyl sellection was pretty exceptional back in the day, no so much today.

Unlimited is a cool store, no doubt. I have not been there for a few years now but I should stop by.

Let's not get into the digital vinyl thingy now!!!!;)
 
Anything from Chesky? Clark Terry? Jon Faddis? The Harry Smiths? John Hammond Jr.? Jimmy Cobb? Pacquito d'Rivera? Oregon? McCoy Tyner? How about David's own compositions?

I was not actually referring to the label, but Chesky's own compositions, which are referenced quite often in Stereophile and TAS. Yuck.

Thank you for allowing me to clarify.
 
The funny thing is that which music that suck can actually be heavenly to another. The audio press started to talk about good recordings, meaning good sonics as opposed to your personal favorite music artists. I learned that during the time when I bought my first few issues of TAS in the mid 80s (Issue 30s) and I began reading about how great this or that record sounds. In my trips to Tower Records at Columbus and Bay, I picked up some of them, flew 5000 miles home and discovered that I couldn't stand a minute of the music it was playing. Oh that was an awful feeling. To have such high expectations from a magazine review and sinking to a depth I never thought it would. And guess what, when I put if up for sale in a local ad, the buyer practically embraced me for selling him such record. :D And later on I realized I was in the wrong genre, hard hard rock. Some great recordings has to grow on you. Those titles of Harmonia Mundi comes to mind. When I bought the first 2 albums of Patricia Barber on CD in the 90s, I sold it after a few plays. I hear my friends say how good sounding they are and I bought the LPs again a few years ago, and I actually rediscovered it, mainly on the great sonics. I'm still not a fan of her singing, but I'm keeping Cafe Blue as it has grown on me.
I get that; that's why I'm willing to go back and re-listen to some of the stuff I said sucked. And musical tastes change. I still like hard rock, but i'm pretty selective at this point about what i hear, because once you've heard the same riff 10,000 times, it's not new.
The only thing I'll add is that some players i've heard live who are totally amazing don't get recorded much or as well or it just doesn't translate. There's something about the interaction with the player and the audience, particularly in a small club, that adds another dimension; not just the 'live' vs recorded thing, but something where the artist can improvise or reach something that may just not exist on a record. I was told that hearing Cream live in their day was nothing like listening to the records.
 

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