Sure Bill.
But aren’t we talking more Danley pro audio horns?
Not bleeding edge audiophile single full range driver horns?
Yes sure or Funktion One or similar.
Sure Bill.
But aren’t we talking more Danley pro audio horns?
Not bleeding edge audiophile single full range driver horns?
IB, don’t torture poor Ked, you know this stuff is not for him.
I’m curious that you would even consider horns for such specific subsonic bass-oriented material.
Hello to the forum from the manufacturers of the Pnoe horns.
I d like to clarify some points and questions which were mentioned in the thread.
First, the sound at the Munich Show was very disappointing to us. Unfortunately the room was not setup to allow the speakers to perform, and this was due to
the sharing of the room with other firms. There was no treatment, and moreover the hanging plastic wall-banner was adding a terrible midrange coloration. Also
the layout was effectively creating a nearfield setup which is definitely not the way to go with backloaded horns. These conditions unfortunately were above our control.
The Pnoes, when set up reasonably, dissapear and there is simply no coloration. Especially the new 2018 model has been significantly upgraded inside the horn with redesigned mid and high frequency isolation from the bass. Also, the new copper alloy baffle gives an even clearer presentation. The texture and harmonics have to be experienced to be appreciated as they are really unique. The Pnoe is a smooth and round horn and there are no standing waves or any other sources of reflections inside. The horn has the inherent phase shift but the bass is tight and super fast. We have tried subwoofers but in our experience and taste they simply cannot cope, and of course there is a crossover added to the output, which leaves a signature in the form of slight graininess.
Secondly, the amplifier used was not just a simple solid state unit. It was a 2*110W, 2 stage WE437-interstage-mosfet amp with no cap in the signal path and all silver tranformer volume control. In a proper setup it enables the Pnoe to present even the most dynamic orchestral pieces with breathtaking detail and a huge soundstage. In the past we have also listened to the Pnoe with a high-specd WE 300B amp with excellent results.
Thirdly, the Pnoe basically does not need to be modded as it is provided with a pure signal path (no cap or resistor), a very high quality internal cable (by Crystal Cable), and, as I mentioned above, an optimized internal isolation system to remove all horn coloration. We are very happy to upgrade all previously produced Pnoes to the 2018 model.
We will be arranging auditions in the UK as there are several parties interested to hear them in a well set up room and we will be informing the forum when we arrange them.
Thank you for your interest in our speaker, and we will be happy to answer any other question which arises.
The horn has the inherent phase shift but the bass is tight and super fast. We have tried subwoofers but in our experience and taste they simply cannot cope, and of course there is a crossover added to the output, which leaves a signature in the form of slight graininess.
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That's a blow.
So your system can't express the lower frequencies?
The idea of a rig that can't be flat down to 16hz is a major turn off for me. There's just so much information down there in the music i adore.
While i can accept main speakers limited to ~30hz when complemented by subs, just doing away with the sub 30hz region is a complete non starter
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Perhaps the Pnoe arent for me after all
That's a blow.
So your system can't express the lower frequencies?
The idea of a rig that can't be flat down to 16hz is a major turn off for me. There's just so much information down there in the music i adore.
While i can accept main speakers limited to ~30hz when complemented by subs, just doing away with the sub 30hz region is a complete non starter
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Perhaps the Pnoe arent for me after all
I agree with you I don't think they are. I really don't, playing your YouTube videos.
I gave up trying to integrate a Martin Logan Descent with my Apogees. It just couldn't keep up. I also knew, as you say, exactly where it was in the room. You need two subs no matter what anyone says IMHO, but I am space constrained at the moment and I am sure I could have got a better result with more space and effort and expense. But I am also sure it would never be satisfactory. Long throw subs just push air differently to a short throw high surface area panel.
I covered the bad boy bass rooms at Munich here. Read on until you get to the JBLs, where the bad boy bass coverage stops.
EDIT: JBL is post #143.
Just spotted that the Bohne speakers are dipoles in the upper frequecies
http://bohne-audio.com/de/international-information-english/
Very interesting.
Only issue is, when i heard the Trinnov pre amp here it convincingly lost out to my Wavac.
Sounded more hifi, less magical, less musical
Hi infinitely baffled,
Wow. 16Hz is your in-room low frequency cutoff point?
If 16Hz really is achievable in your room, then I would imagine you may be better off with conventional multi-way dynamic drivers. That’s not to say you can’t achieve sub-20Hz bass with a horn (a single driver won't even come close, and will as Arcadian has mentioned result in phase shift as the speaker descends in frequency), just that that horn is going to be really, really, really big given the physics of the horn's cutoff is dictated by its dimensions/driver. And as both Arcadian and User 211 have alluded to, the way in which LF information is delivered via a horn or a planar/stat is obviously very different than a conventional cone in a box, even in cases in which the box is sealed.
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Hello yourself, 853guy
Yes, this was my thinking behind posting the youtube clips. There's a lot of different interpretations of the meaning of sub bass, this is what it means to me
Hello yourself, 853guy
Yes, this was my thinking behind posting the youtube clips. There's a lot of different interpretations of the meaning of sub bass, this is what it means to me
Inf Baffle
Did you cover Pure Audio Project here already?
http://www.pureaudioproject.com/product/trio15-heil-amt-open-baffle-speakers/
or http://www.pureaudioproject.com/trio15-horn-open-baffle-speakers/
or http://www.pureaudioproject.com/trio15-voxativ-open-baffle-speakers/
or http://www.pureaudioproject.com/product/trio15-beyma-tpl150-open-baffle-speakers/
They look interesting. Is the top of the line the €16k version with field coil driver?
I'd just started going through them when my battery died. Will continue once I've walked the dogs and cleared my head.
I feel as though i am in mourning for les pneus
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