Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème

With respect to the Taiko Extreme how do you connect it to your DAC

  • USB

    Votes: 52 63.4%
  • Ethernet

    Votes: 14 17.1%
  • Both USB and Ethernet

    Votes: 9 11.0%
  • AES/EBU

    Votes: 10 12.2%
  • Dual AES/EBU

    Votes: 2 2.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 5 6.1%

  • Total voters
    82

Taiko Audio

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Would Extreme-ists pay for both Roon and TAS? Roon for searches/new discoveries and to run it to secondary sites in the house, and then switching to TAS in the main zone for the best SQ?
How much would that combined subs cost annually/one-off?
-TAS is free for all Extreme and 2015/EVO owners.
-We are currently testing several music discovery services which will be included with TAS at a later stage.
 

Taiko Audio

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I may need to borrow your sunglasses :). I see a future where there isn't anything yet that I can use that's stable across all platforms that I have installed except Roon
There could also be a future where this would in fact be possible.
 
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Taiko Audio

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I see my future as :

Critical listening/sheer enjoyment : TAS
Working/Music Discovery : Roon + HQPlayer
We're working on HQPlayer support.
 
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This is very good news. Emile just confirmed to me that file system browsing will be supported, for anyone else who cares.

I recall @romaz saying he didn't see Roon in his future, perhaps adding clairvoyance to his other perceptive gifts ;)
 

cat6man

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This is very good news. Emile just confirmed to me that file system browsing will be supported, for anyone else who cares.
file system browsing is essential here, requiring roon navigation is a showstopper for me.........let a thousand flowers bloom
 

kennyb123

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Interesting. Maybe a dumb question, but could one just go back and utilize an older version of Roon with the Extreme? A version that worked just fine and had "the magic" that existed for 200 pages of this forum :)?
As I understand it, Roon has tight integration with their backend services. If they make a "breaking change" (a change that might cause a past version to no longer function properly) they will likely force you to upgrade to the new version.

Also did you ever notice that message when upgrading that says that Roon is optimizing your database (or something like that)? That can mean that they are restructuring the local database to work with the new version. Once that's performed, you may no longer be able to run an older version. Worth a try though if you can restore from a former backup the entire Roon directory and the application.
 
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Steve Williams

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As I understand it, Roon has tight integration with their backend services. If they make a "breaking change" (a change that might cause a past version to no longer function properly) they will likely force you to upgrade to the new version.

Also did you ever notice that message when upgrading that says that Roon is optimizing your database (or something like that)? That can mean that they are restructuring the local database to work with the new version. Once that's performed, you may no longer be able to run an older version. Worth a try though if you can restore from a former backup the entire Roon directory and the application.
I think every Extreme user has that gut instinct feeling re Roon. For me I'm done with it and yes I own a life membership. It's not a King's ransom so I'm not going to fret it. I'm going "all in" with TAS. I do like the idea of having both on the Extreme and being able to switch from one to the other . For me however the only reason I would push the button to activate Roon would be to use their Metadata. Having said that however Emile feels strongly that there are other online services that perform such searches and do it as good or better than Roon. One listen to the TAS will convince you before you finish the first track that the best SQ is coming from TAS
 

ray-dude

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Also, I heard that Taiko Audio is getting a DAVE dac to hear this upsampling goodness, is that true?
From your typing fingers to Emile's ears ;) (and I'd be delighted to chip in my share for this...lot cheaper than getting a TotalDAC!)

After that, we can see what we can do to get him some loaner single driver speakers to drive direct ;) ;)
 
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wil

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file system browsing is essential here, requiring roon navigation is a showstopper for me.........let a thousand flowers bloom
I’ve always found the Roon library to be a chaotic sea of album covers and artist pictures that basically has no use for me. Especially for classical, it’s just an unpredictable mess of composers and performers.

My response has been to just use the playlist function. I title the playlists by the artist’ or composers name. To add an album under the artist's heading, I select the first track of the album which then acts as a link to the full album. I suppose a file based system would allow a similar type of honed down organization.
 

howiebrou

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May be I am alone in not disliking Roon’s GUI but then again I used Sooloos for over a decade so I must be used to the DNA. Yes it does have annoying quirks but overall compared to the rubbish over the past few years it is still a great interface. Hopefully TAS can match the GUI, then we can ditch Roon altogether.
 

Steve Williams

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Howie I think you’re missing the point.

Everyone here acknowledges how good the Roon GUI is. What most of us here are saying is that the SQ of Roon has taken a bit of a dump with the last few updates. I laud Emile’s desire to give his customers the very best in SQ and it therefore makes sense to me that he control the software. When I first spoke to Emile about this 6 weeks ago he totally understood how seductive Roon is and made me aware of several online data collecting services that are as good or better than Roon
Having said that it is not the Roon GUI that has me tapping my toes and getting goose bumps but rather something that is going to bring me ever closer to the music. Hence TAS, which in prebeta version already sounds better by a large margin than Roon did in October when I first subscribed.

And bottom line is every extreme user will have both. I’m sure it would be Emile’s desire to make TAS so good in every way that we all will use TAS.

But once again both are there for you to use. Some have complex networks which I understand might be a problem. I’ve had no issues using TAS on my network

Im a believer I’m following the music not the GUI
 

howiebrou

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Howie I think you’re missing the point.

Everyone here acknowledges how good the Roon GUI is. What most of us here are saying is that the SQ of Roon has taken a bit of a dump with the last few updates. I laud Emile’s desire to give his customers the very best in SQ and it therefore makes sense to me that he control the software. When I first spoke to Emile about this 6 weeks ago he totally understood how seductive Roon is and made me aware of several online data collecting services that are as good or better than Roon
Having said that it is not the Roon GUI that has me tapping my toes and getting goose bumps but rather something that is going to bring me ever closer to the music. Hence TAS, which in prebeta version already sounds better by a large margin than Roon did in October when I first subscribed.

And bottom line is every extreme user will have both. I’m sure it would be Emile’s desire to make TAS so good in every way that we all will use TAS.

But once again both are there for you to use. Some have complex networks which I understand might be a problem. I’ve had no issues using TAS on my network

Im a believer I’m following the music not the GUI
Don’t worry Steve, I didn’t miss the point, I just couldn’t be bothered to repeat what has been said so eloquently by you and others, in that Sq is core to what we want. On that I agree, but I also put a lot of importance on the GUI, is all I meant. if Emile can do both fantastic but I hope I don’t have to give up a great GUI. I’m not sure switching back and forth between softwares is something I look forward to doing.
 
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Mike Lavigne

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i think where we should be is looking forward to having a choice.

we will have Roon, and TAS, and both likely will evolve over time for the better.

what is wrong with this picture? we are winners either way.
 

sbo6

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Will TAS be offered as a stand - alone app for non - Taiko owners? I bet you'd gather quite an additional following if it were.
 
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adyc

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May be I am alone in not disliking Roon’s GUI but then again I used Sooloos for over a decade so I must be used to the DNA. Yes it does have annoying quirks but overall compared to the rubbish over the past few years it is still a great interface. Hopefully TAS can match the GUI, then we can ditch Roon altogether.
I am a lifetime Roon subscriber. You are not alone on disliking Roon GUI. It is very poor for classical browsing. It is not me alone in criticising how Roon handle classical music. Many classical lovers who have large classical music library give up Roon because of this. Roon is great for Pop, Jazz and Rock. But classical music metadata is completely different animals.
 

howiebrou

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I am a lifetime Roon subscriber. You are not alone on disliking Roon GUI. It is very poor for classical browsing. It is not me alone in criticising how Roon handle classical music. Many classical lovers who have large classical music library give up Roon because of this. Roon is great for Pop, Jazz and Rock. But classical music metadata is completely different animals.
I still don’t know how I should categorize my classical music whether it be by composer, multiple composers, piece, lead, label. It’s all just a big pain. For LPs I just use the composer.
 
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CKKeung

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I am a lifetime Roon subscriber. You are not alone on disliking Roon GUI. It is very poor for classical browsing. It is not me alone in criticising how Roon handle classical music. Many classical lovers who have large classical music library give up Roon because of this. Roon is great for Pop, Jazz and Rock. But classical music metadata is completely different animals.
Agree with adyc 100%!
 

alwayslearning

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I am not an Extreme owner -- yet. I hope to rectify that in the relatively near future. I do have some basic, common sense suggestions when it comes to the software.

First, I do want to hold on to Roon, at least until TAS gets up to speed on the things Roon does so well. The easier it is to switch back and forth between Roon and TAS, the better. As someone else said, I could see continuing to use Roon as a music discovery/metadata tool while using TAS for listening to tunes already discovered.

Second, I would really like to have the ability to build playlists in TAS. I currently have well over 100 playlists in Roon that date back to my first days with computer audio in 2009. These are invaluable to me and act as a kind of personal listening history. I return to old playlists quite often and really enjoy building new ones.

Third, because these older playlists are so valuable to me (for me, they began with iTunes, then Audirvana, now Roon), I would love to have an easy import function in TAS so that these existing Roon playlists could arrive intact and with as much metadata as possible.

I think we are all amazed at how quickly Emile and team have been able to get something up and running that improves SQ dramatically. I am confident that this same team will be able to offer valuable features, like the above, without compromising SQ.

Thank you!
 

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