TAD CR1 vs R1

I am very surprised they came out with an MKII for the CR1s as well. Just changing the material of one of the layers of the bass driver on such a model and calling it a MKII does not make much sense to me. You can maybe justify it on the R1 that has two 10'' drivers and could benefit to some extend. But on the CR1s I cant see how that can have any material change for the better really, considering how good they are. It may really be some cost related thing after all, unless there are some other changes but it does not seem to be the case. Could it had to do with having more models now with the Evolution series and higher number of units to produce and taking advantadge of that from a sourcing perspective or similar. do not think we will ever know for sure, but surely is a rare MKII.
 
Have some news on my situation.

They have said to me after they came back from summer break, both dealer and local TAD guy that they had no idea, and actually that my info was first news to them. They were very surprised. after 2 days they came back to me. Said they were sorry, and that they should have told me since it was known at the company level, but localy they had no idea. As a matter of fact they said they had no clue still today what changes the new model were bringing. In any case the said they will take the old model and provide me a new pair of MK2 as soon as they get to europe by late october or early november, once more with their apologies.... Is not that a great company response and customer care service? Not only they do have a great great product, they stand behind their name and reputation.

I thought they would offer me a discount but that was never on the table. I think this solution is better, since it is what it should have been if they have given me all the info. Somehow they failed to deliver the info to the local guy and so they are solving their mistake on them and not on me.

Is rare, but they claim TAD is new to them locally (being basically Pioneer people I think) and that they are still catching up. In any case I am very satisfied. I guess that is what you get when you buy from a large company that cares. A small manufacturer could not probably do such a thing even if it wanted to.

Regarding the current model, they do sound terrific. It was the fact that when I bought mine they knew a new model was out and did not inform me that had me very upset, thinking it was dishonest. If I would have bought several months ago I would not be too concern considering the scope of the update and how good these things (both models) sound. I think these are boxes for a lifetime, almost..., and new models will come out sooner or later. And that wont change how good they sound.
 
Good story...and good luck when the new ones arrive...will be interested to know if you prefer them and what the audible changes/improvements are.
 
Good story...and good luck when the new ones arrive...will be interested to know if you prefer them and what the audible changes/improvements are.

+1

I'd love to know the audible differences as well. Keep us updated.
 
they made the right decision as a customer service. there are a lot of companies that will not care for it.
 
Thanks all. Good end to a strange situation.

Joydelee, i think you mentioned you were going to Japan soon. if you can find more info please share with us, since it seems all is focused there. They have units there already running.

Be sure I will let you know with all detail all I hear and see on MK2 vs MK1. I am very grateful to you guys who raised this issue on a timely manner. if not for this forum I would likely have no idea of the whole issue still today and by the time I would find out it would probably be too late to claim.

Regarding sonic differences, for what I have read so far I frankly do not expect much differences, or any... For better or for worse. Changes for the info I recaped so far are a new bass driver design, with new material and lighter but equaly resistant, the driver and the speaker being manufagtured now in Japan by TAD and not in their factory at china. And I think that is all. Regardless of the new driver, TAD seems to be saying sonic difference is marginal between models. Go figure. All these is not first hand info but what I have been able to read and gather from here and there.

In my case is not only sonic differences. If you recall my units had a manufacturing date of early 2011... If you add up to the fact that when I purchased the MK2 was out, resale value would have been a disaster, or if you want to look it the other way around I could have bought the MK1 at a big discount. So more a financial disaster than a sonic one.
 
Thanks Joost. i think you were thenfirst one to raise this from the pics of HK show, so thanks for that.

As said will share all info, but it will take a while still. The MK2s are not arriving to europe till late october or sometime november.
 
Thanks all. Good end to a strange situation.

Lloydelee, i think you mentioned you were going to Japan soon. if you can find more info please share with us, since it seems all is focused there. They have units there already running.

I am going to stop by TAD in Tokyo...will see what i can find out.
 
Official communication from TAD http://tad-labs.com/jp/corporate/press/120830_01.html

I can't tell from a Google translate what the change entails but there seems to be some performance improvement aspects. If any Japanese speakers can clarify that would be great.

MK2 models expected to arrive in EU somewhere in November 2012. There is also talk of a small TAD-MR1, intro December 2012 for Japan. ROW CES 2013.

My fiancee (who is Japanese) translated it...it does not make much sense to her (being a non-audiophile! ;)) Looks like their changes include some kind of lamination layer to the woofer cone and a lot of increased stiffness in cabinetry...trying to get stiffer cones and cabinetry maybe...lessen any minor vibrations?
 
Thanks. I can understand she thinks all this forum is full of crazy people...

Do you know if it mentions also something regarding moving the production of the speakers to japan?
 
Thanks. I can understand she thinks all this forum is full of crazy people...

Do you know if it mentions also something regarding moving the production of the speakers to japan?

Yes, I believe it does...it talks about the quality of production in Japan.
 
Hi Eli08,

I listened to the pair of R-1 in the photo (at the Hong Kong HiFi Show in Aug), the sound in the room was mediocre. The staff did not set up the system satisfactorily.
I am not sure whether that pair of R-1 is mk2 or not. I will call TAD/Pioneer HK to clarify on Monday & post their reply here.

BTW I would like to seek your comments on the E-1. I am now considering a speaker upgrade.
I auditioned the Magico S5 last week but was a bit underwhelmed. The Rockport Avior is more enjoyable but it's too big (depth) for my listening room and so is the TAD R-1.
E-1 seems to have the suitable size. May I know how's its sonics compared to CR-1 & other speakers of similar price-level?

Many thanks in advance!
 
Hi CKK. Are based in HK? If so maybe yo ucould find things about MK2 easily.

The E1s... Is a very good speaker. Actually best I have listened to at that price level, or even higher. I have been listening to the whole range at home. Started with the E1, than got the CR1 and finally the R1. GOt the chance to listen to them all in my system and for quilte a long time, so I guess I have a very good idea of how they compare... all to my taste, system and room, of course.

Let me jump to the end. If R1 is out of the equation for size, the best you can go for is the CR1. There is a good difference for the CR1 vs E1. Having said that, here is things I wrote in other posts regarding the E1


My room is almost a square. It is a dedicated room, and although seems squares are not the best, it sounds quite well with different speakers Ive tried, given size. Size is 5,45 X 5,35 meters (so like 17,8 X 17,5).

With the 800Ds I sat aprox 10 feet away from them and theybwere some 8,5 feet away from each other. There was plenty of room to the sides and over 3,5 feet to the back wall.

They played fine. Took me a while to find the best position. Kept moving them back and forth. But at the end I think I got it. I liked the sound. In my room, to my ears and with my music, it sounded big, sweet, powerful. With time I noticed I kept tweeking to get more detail and faster, more articulated bass. I think at the end they sounded very good. In terms of detail I thought they were very detailed (compared to others Inhave tried here).... Until I tried the TADs E1....

In terms of Bass, it was big and powerfull. Somewaht adicting. But also a bit slow and heavy. but Inguess tha is a bit in the DNA of the box, at least for my experience.

Image and soundstage, excellent. Overall a very good box for that price range.

The E1 is a different box. Much more detail, more transparent, faster. Even better image. More neutral all over the range. Bass way faster and articulated, although "smaller" and less powerfull (but it is big still). To me a very good improvement over the 800s. I hear much more "music" and much more clear what the artits are trying to show, be it a soloist or a conductor or an orchestra. Inner detail is fantastic, overall presentation deep nad wide with lots of air.

In brief the 800 is a great box. The E1 is well worth the extra 6000 euros it costs in europe over the 800, (actually I think at these levels what I have seen is much less of an improvement for that kind of money). I have tried boxes costing over 3 times as much and altough they were better than the 800 s, the improvement would not justify the extra cost (at least to my ears and in my room/set up/music). But with the E1 is totally the other way around.

Now the only thing tha keeps me from siging off to the E1s, are the CR1s I am trying to listen but havent been able still. If thenprice/performance improvement is the same as it was with the E1s I would not like to miss them. Although design is si different I am not surenwaht to expect.
 
Hi Eli08,

Many thanks for your explanation!
Yes, I am a Hong Kong Audiophile. Home trial is near-impossible here and I envoy you being able to listen to all of them in your house before making the purchase decision.
E-1 is not available in HK yet and I will certainly go auditioning it once it arrives.

Ck
 
That was a comparation with my old B&W 800Di. Up untill that time I had tried other speakers costing much more. They were better surely to the B&W but I felt the improvement did not justify the extra cost.mthe ony one I did consider for a while was the magico Q5. But they were short in deep bass and engagement to my liking.

Now that was also before trying the CR1s. cR1s are a better speaker compared to E1s. More musical, more detail in a good way, better imaging. Amazing speaker. Mid bass will blowmyou. Dynamics and bass are incredible for the size. E1 Compared to the E1, E1s may go a bit lower not sure, but were it gets, CR1 gets there better.

If price is not a problem consider them also. But I could live happily with either one.

Also the R1s play fantastic in my room which is not big. It is a dedicated room and so I can place them where I want. Changed the layout and did a diagonal set up. Works terrific. With a bigger room they surely will sound better but still they are incredibly good. So if you have that flexibility also consider them.
 
Hi Eli08,

I once auditioned the R-1 driven by the TAD SACD player, Boulder flagship preamp & TAD monoblock poweramps. This one of the best combos that I have ever listened to. A truly memorable experience.

I believe the overall performance of CR-1 shall be better than the lower-grade E-1. However, bass energy in my house is wanting so E-1 may be a better choice for me.

I totally agree with you that the Magico Q series is too accurate, bass is a bit too lean and most important of all, they are rather non-engaging.
I heard that the S5 is more musical so went for a listen. However, IMHO Rockport Avior is more musical than Magico S5. It's a pity that Avior's depth of 25 inches is too much for my smallish listening area.

Cheers,
CK
 

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