My goodness Micro, you really do like pontificating! It is exactly as I mentioned.
Suggestion: do purchase the 4th edition, thereby helping the authors, and check if you wish. (however, it doesn't really matter if you do or not.)
My goodness, you really love to talk about you don't know. Read the full book and quote from it, not from your imagination. F. Toole was not born with the 4th edition - it added material, it did not change the fundamentals. The Toole research is science, it is not your usual entertaining audio gossip. Bye.
My goodness, you really love to talk about you don't know. Read the full book and quote from it, not from your imagination. F. Toole was not born with the 4th edition - it added material, it did not change the fundamentals. The Toole research is science, it is not your usual entertaining audio gossip. Bye.
I like Tooles book. I've read it a couple of times cover to cover. It's background information that helps you understand why you are hearing what you are hearing but it is just a starting point. Something you keep in the back of your mind when you are trying to get great sound. Necessary but not sufficient information. The actual process is iterative and may lead you somewhere which contradicts Tooles thinking from time to time. We don't yet have the science and room interaction is so complex we will never have a book with knowledge that is transferable to all situations. At least that has been my experience.
I like Tooles book. I've read it a couple of times cover to cover. It's background information that helps you understand why you are hearing what you are hearing but it is just a starting point. Something you keep in the back of your mind when you are trying to get great sound. Necessary but not sufficient information. The actual process is iterative and may lead you somewhere which contradicts Tooles thinking from time to time. We don't yet have the science and room interaction is so complex we will never have a book with knowledge that is transferable to all situations. At least that has been my experience.
Toole science and engineering driven approach needs reliable data and aims mostly at predictability. Deeply knowing about the limitations of the stereo standard and the non predictability of audiophile preference he accepts to sacrifice our iterative approach to a statistically general, surely not universal, preference. The high-end is surely not part of his book.
But as you say, reading it is an excellent introduction to our hobby. It helps us understanding it in depth and keeping north in our less guided searches.
Surely the book is not a book without criticism - for example we can consider that it underestimates the full capabilities of stereo, as he discards listener education and ignores some valid options of speaker design because of their set up needs.
In some sense, the never ending WBF fights - horns versus boxes versus planar or tubes versus SET - prove the wise man is right ...
Humility goes a long way.... even in life. I have a tendency to keep my mouth shut, instead of interjecting. A lot of folks could learn from that.
Some of you have seen that I have cut back on posting, because I don't want to listen/read the drama. As you get older, your time becomes more precious. I've always followed Ralph's posting... I just have to weed out the minutiae....
Happy hunting....
Yes but that's not what Bobvin is saying. He is commenting on personality traits/learned behaviors which I think are valid and worth considering. You are saying that we all must sometimes do some very unpleasant even damaging things for the greater good. I think you are both right.