Ron’s New System

[Johan K]

i had a double height RPG Skyline diffuser center middle on the wall behind my speakers for a number of years. i put it there to clean up the center image....a net gain i thought. but once i tamed some reflections here and there, i needed to check to see if the Skyline was still helping. so i covered it in plastic sheeting.....better. then i completely removed it. much better. it had been a band aid reducing excess reflections, but once i got those under control it was deadening the music energy and confusing the music focus.

i had window inserts built in 2011 but could not hear the difference in or out, i liked the view, so kept them out. 4 years later in 2015 as i cleaned up reflective glare i brought the window inserts out of storage and tried them again, now they competed and filled in my sound staging and added coherence.

my sidewalls along side and behind my speakers were bare. but as i tuned things that was one area i could not quite figure out. i tried a number of things. it either was too much hash, or too dead. finally i tried some Aural T-Fusor diffusers. perfect. i had not understood the problem; my 36 inch long, 7 foot tall bass towers near that wall had a resonance going on between the wall and speaker cabinet that higher SPL's excited. the T-Furors quieted it. this is something i would never have figured out if i did not methodically chase the fine tuning process. you open a door, and then see another wall in front of you. then find the door.....open it, and see another wall. until no more walls.

as you fine tune things previous perceptions must again be checked and proven and keep your mind open.

Hey Mike,

Sounds like you’re as nerdy as I am… although very meticulous - I like that, and was laughing so much as I saw myself in your story… LOL!!

/ Jk

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Hey Mike,

Sounds like you’re as nerdy as I am… although very meticulous - I like that, and was laughing so much as I saw myself in your story… LOL!!

/ Jk

LOL indeed.

nerd'ing out and getting into the weeds is one of the great things about a dedicated room. you just have one crazy person to make happy. yourself. another nice part is this stuff is almost free....besides your time. yet delivers the results to make the spendy stuff really sing and which take things over the top.

the T-Fusers were $59 each x 6 per side., the window inserts maybe $500 each. the cloth surface treatment a few hundred dollars. the painful part is the process of realization that you were not were you wanted to be and then considering how to get there. the learning curve of hearing what you want but not yet getting it from your own system. getting motivated to charge ahead.

 

[microstrip]

I hope Marty gave you extra strength holy water spot remover after the exorcism.

Considering the exorcism was mainly objective, it will surely needed a lot of extra supplementary holy water for some time!

 

[Ron Resnick]

getting into the weeds is one of the great things about a dedicated room. you just have one crazy person to make happy. yourself.

Tinka is happy with Marty's Philips Hue lights idea. She has always lobbied for warm, reddish mood lighting.

 

[Johan K]

LOL indeed.

nerd'ing out and getting into the weeds is one of the great things about a dedicated room. you just have one crazy person to make happy. yourself. another nice part is this stuff is almost free....besides your time. yet delivers the results to make the spendy stuff really sing and which take things over the top.

the T-Fusers were $59 each x 6 per side., the window inserts maybe $500 each. the cloth surface treatment a few hundred dollars. the painful part is the process of realization that you were not were you wanted to be and then considering how to get there. the learning curve of hearing what you want but not yet getting it from your own system. getting motivated to charge ahead.

Totally agree with you!! Crawling around like a miffo on all four, trying to find the weak spots really takes its tolls, but are very much rewarded when things finally comes in place, and the sound is spoted exactly on target - when you hear those finer things you didn’t hear before, then the spent time on all four becomes nothing to worry about… LOL… .

 

[Johan K]

Tinka is happy with Marty's Philips Hue lights idea. She has always lobbied for warm, reddish mood lighting.

Now you have your own ”Red Light District”.. !! Don’t make TOO dutch though.. LOL..!!

 

[Al M.]

A friend alerted me to this video you posted.

Thank you -- I have benchmarked the voice in this video as being dry, menthol, electronic and unnatural.

Yuck indeed.

 

[Al M.]

Ked often states such things as benchmarks that are really not...I wonder sometimes if he is trolling with this or not...

I wonder that too.

 

[jbrrp1]

Why don’t you post yours to better it then?

I found that I agreed with Ron's assessment when I listened to the SQ of your highlighted example. Do you really consider this a good benchmark recording?

 

[PeterA]

Hello Peter,

I know you like this because you see it as validation of your skepticism about accessories such as TubeTraps and electronic bass absorbers. But you are dismissing incorrectly the efficacy of these products.

I am not removing these products because they don't work or because they make the sound unnatural. They do work, and they don't make the sound unnatural.

I am removing them only because I do not need them anymore. The problem which they addressed has been mitigated.

A patient takes medicine to improve the symptoms of an illness. The illness goes away, and the patient stops taking the medicine. Cessation of the medication does not mean that the medicine was not effective in improving the patient's symptoms.

Ron, what did you do to obviate the need for bass treatments in you room? From what I recall, they were in there before you played with the Clarisys crossovers and you installed them for a specific reason.

 

[bonzo75]

I found that I agreed with Ron's assessment when I listened to the SQ of your highlighted example. Do you really consider this a good benchmark recording?

I didn’t say it was a good benchmark recording. I asked him to benchmark to the voice in that video. His is not going to be better.

I never record Diana Krall myself, this is the better ones of the online videos I found with Diana Krall. You are welcome to put up Diana Krall ones you think are better

 

[Ron Resnick]

A friend alerted me to this video you posted.

Thank you -- I have benchmarked the voice in this video as being dry, menthol, electronic and unnatural.

I prefer this rendition . . .

 

[Johan K]

I prefer this rendition . . .

Tbh Ron,
I rather prefer Stevie Nicks or Fleetwood Mac than Diana Krall on your system. Or it might be just that song or version of California Dreaming that I don’t like where Diana Krells voice sounds retarded (sorry to say) (although I like Diana Krall in general). I like the original California Dreaming with the original tempo and not a copied and slowed down version to some kind of heroin-tempo, don’t like it, but that’s only me, and YMMV.

What I would like to hear, is how your system performs on electronic music, like Yello, Depeche Mode or Jean-Michel Jarre for instance, I think that might sound amazing.

/ Jk

 

[Ron Resnick]

Tbh Ron,
I rather prefer Stevie Nicks or Fleetwood Mac than Diana Krall on your system. Or it might be just that song or version of California Dreaming that I don’t like where Diana Krells voice sounds retarded (sorry to say) (although I like Diana Krall in general). I like the original California Dreaming with the original tempo and not a copied and slowed down version to some kind of heroin-tempo, don’t like it, but that’s only me, and YMMV.

What I would like to hear, is how your system performs on electronic music, like Yello, Depeche Mode or Jean-Michel Jarre for instance, I think that might sound amazing.

/ Jk

No, you're missing the point. The point is to compare the rendition of this track from my system to Kedar's "benchmark."

 

[Johan K]

No, you're missing the point. The point is to compare the rendition of this track from my system to Kedar's "benchmark."

Okay I get it, but I still think it would be interesting to hear some electronic music on your system, but that is maybe not your favorite genre, and that’s okay, although I think your system would sound amazing with some Boris Blank, Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre and such.. just saying.. .

And yea… your clip DID sound better than the one Kedar did post, I agree to that, but again, this shows how different videos sounds when played back through different phones, ipads, headphones and stereo systems.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Okay I get it, but I still think it would be interesting to hear some electronic music on your system

I like Kerala Dust's "Late Sun."

And yea… your clip DID sound better than the one Kedar did post

Thank you.

 

[Thundersnow]

I prefer this rendition . . .

I quickly went back and forth between the two videos. It's clear as day that Kedar's recording sounds cuspy and boxy compared to Ron's recording. Also, the organ is much better defined and delineated in Ron's recording. The vocal is clearly superior on the planar speaker.

 

[Ron Resnick]

(although I like Diana Krall in general).

I actually don't care for Diana Krall in general. I find that in general she sings like she swallowed a bottle of Benadryl before stepping up to the microphone. Her pacing is way too tedious and lethargic and boring for me.

Except, I think that tedious and lethargic presentation is completely perfect for "A Case of You." And I totally love her cover of that song!

 

[morricab]

No, you're missing the point. The point is to compare the rendition of this track from my system to Kedar's "benchmark."

Poor choice of benchmark?

 

[Johan K]

Agree to that !

Thanks for the tip regarding Kerela Dust, I did order the ”Late Sun” EP immediately! Really like the music - Thank you!