Would be great if you decide to join the curious folks trying the Discovery series in their setups. Whatever your impressions, it could be a happy ending, or the start of something new and joyful.
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All is good, I'm glad we could clear the air. I have a wife and daughter myself and so I can appreciate you standing up for what you perceived was an injustice.
I was going to say something about that, but didn’t want to discourage trying. Oh, for the days when Harry Pearson ran things.
I also participated in this Slack group, though it was initially passive participation when it came to the QSA treated items as it was the pricey fuses that were driving the discussions. Fascinating as heck but given the high prices and risk of a fuse blowing, I sat that out. I never imagined that those conversations would end up leading to the affordable Discovery series that delivers such a huge bang for the buck.
I still get the sense that more surprises l will lie ahead but that depends to some degree to us all getting the word out.
@Blake convinced me to give the Veridion cables a try. I now have 9 of the PCs, a power strip, and an Ethernet cable. I have two more power strips on order - one for my power amps, and the other to daisy chain to the one I already have.
In short, the realism is on steroids. Weight, texture, ambience retrieval, inner details, and dynamics. Every note, more than ever before, seems to have the right amount of propulsion and swell within the soundstage. This greatly enhances the sense of timing. I'm loving it all.
In short, the realism is on steroids. Weight, texture, ambience retrieval, inner details, and dynamics. Every note, more than ever before, seems to have the right amount of propulsion and swell within the soundstage. This greatly enhances the sense of timing. I'm loving it all.
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I recall Stereophile many years ago defining their minimum threshold for products that get reviewed. It’s been many years so I don’t recall the criteria but it was meant to limit reviews to products only from well-established companies.
Good question. I am actually using a pair of Violet jitter plugs at the end of the Veridion that my TV’s captive cord is plugged into. Prior to the Veridion landing, those two jitters were providing a welcome QSA uplift to my TV. I thought since QSA was additive that it wouldn’t hurt to keep them in place. But maybe I should have moved them to my receiver as it doesn’t yet have a Veridion power cord.
You can certainly add your Silver Jitter to a Veridion power cord and you will find that it will manifest itself just like you've experienced it in the past. Like Anas has stated, there is no saturation point with QSA-treated products. However, I would do as @kennyb123 has suggested and use it on components where you don't already have treated power.
Here’s a curious question, all the more mysterious because we don’t really know what the technology is behind QSA.
I’m using six discovery pc cables, and so far so good! I’m also experimenting with battery power.
The curiosity is that before the discovery cable insertion into the system, the cooling fan on my battery inverter would switch on predictably every 20 minutes. After the discovery cables, the fan switches on predictably every 10 minutes!
Anyone have any ideas as to what would explain this?
I’m using six discovery pc cables, and so far so good! I’m also experimenting with battery power.
The curiosity is that before the discovery cable insertion into the system, the cooling fan on my battery inverter would switch on predictably every 20 minutes. After the discovery cables, the fan switches on predictably every 10 minutes!
Anyone have any ideas as to what would explain this?
That’s a very interesting observation, Will! Our testing with battery setups is still quite limited, since it’s not a high priority at this stage. I do have a theory about what you’re experiencing, but it would need proper verification.
Without the Discovery Veridion power cables: A portion of the system's total loss was dissipated as heat in the cables.
With the Discovery Veridion power cables: The cables themselves run cooler because they are more efficient. However, the inverter is now working in a more optimal regime, likely delivering slightly more current to the load (your audio components) because it can do so more easily. The total system power draw may have increased marginally. The losses that remain are now more concentrated in the inverter's own components. The primary heat-generating elements, the power switches and magnetic cores, are now the dominant source of waste heat, as the cables are no longer acting as a significant "heater."
With the heat generation now focused internally and not being dissipated externally by the cables, the inverter's internal temperature rises at a much faster rate. The thermal mass of the inverter heats up twice as quickly, triggering the fan's thermal sensor in 10 minutes instead of 20.
To confirm this, you could use a thermal camera to compare the surface temperature of the Discovery Veridion vs. untreated cables under the same load, the treated cables should run noticeably cooler. The inverter, meanwhile, is working in a more electrically "quiet" environment, even if it now has to manage its own heat more actively.
Another curious question...If the power strip is sitting on carpet, why would you need a footer?
I believe it’s because the carpet will do nothing to drain vibration out of a power strip. Proper footers will act in both directions.
I think there’s also an issue of static with carpets. It’s why it’s recommended to keep power cords and signal cables off the floor/carpet.
I recall Caelin from Shunyata a few times posting that their distributors designed for shelf placement should never be placed on the floor and especially not on carpet. He was quite adamant about it. It’s partly what lead him to the Everest design that was built from the ground up for floor placement. Though the Everest apparently will still benefit from being placed on a proper platform.
@Willgolf good question. Years ago, I had a large power amp just placed on the carpet, no footers. When I placed the amp on a shelf and then placed Stillpoints under the amp, I was surprised at the sonic changes, all for the better.
Since then, I did experiments with other gear, and now I view components in the chain, including power distributors as any other audio equipment and footers are used. Nothing sits on the floor.
I used my two Discovery strips for a while without any footers (but the strips were placed on an audio rack shelf, not the floor), when comparing the Discovery strip alone, to my Ansuz Mainz8 C3 power distributors, and then comparing the Discovery Strip alone, to the Discovery strip + Ansuz power distributor. I wasn't completely sure of the results, as some aspects I liked with just the Discovery strip alone, while other sonic aspects were better with a combo of the Discovery Strip and Ansuz distributor.
Once I installed footers under the Discovery strip, my experiment was clear- the Discovery strip alone with footers was best. I am using Symposium Acoustics Ultra Padz sitting on a Panzerholz plinth, then Ansuz Darkz T2S footers on top of the Ultra Padz, with a layer of Ansuz tungsten ball bearings between the top of the Darkz, and the underside of the Discovery power strip (I posted a pic of this earlier for a visual).
It's kind of like an audio footer sandwich, lol. But it really works very, very well.
Now that I heard the footers under the Discovery strip, there is no going back for me.
Since then, I did experiments with other gear, and now I view components in the chain, including power distributors as any other audio equipment and footers are used. Nothing sits on the floor.
I used my two Discovery strips for a while without any footers (but the strips were placed on an audio rack shelf, not the floor), when comparing the Discovery strip alone, to my Ansuz Mainz8 C3 power distributors, and then comparing the Discovery Strip alone, to the Discovery strip + Ansuz power distributor. I wasn't completely sure of the results, as some aspects I liked with just the Discovery strip alone, while other sonic aspects were better with a combo of the Discovery Strip and Ansuz distributor.
Once I installed footers under the Discovery strip, my experiment was clear- the Discovery strip alone with footers was best. I am using Symposium Acoustics Ultra Padz sitting on a Panzerholz plinth, then Ansuz Darkz T2S footers on top of the Ultra Padz, with a layer of Ansuz tungsten ball bearings between the top of the Darkz, and the underside of the Discovery power strip (I posted a pic of this earlier for a visual).
It's kind of like an audio footer sandwich, lol. But it really works very, very well.
Now that I heard the footers under the Discovery strip, there is no going back for me.
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What about Stereo Times? I know there was an initial short review before the power cable was released, but it'd be more interesting to read an in-depth review comparing the new expanded range of offerings. Maybe @Exocer would be interested?
@Exocer will be publishing his review of the Discovery Veridion cables soon.
Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but I just want to make sure I understand correctly. I have three Ethernet cables coming for my routers and switches. Should the directional arrow point to the router or the switch?
Between the router and the switch, the arrow should point toward the switch. The Discovery Veridion logo is always on the connector that goes to the destination, so in this case, plug the logo side into the switch.
Thanks Romaz and Anas, sure your explanations always help anchor the bigger picture. The water analogy is a great way to show why router and switch come first, you clean the source, and everything downstream benefits. But reading through the Veridion experiences here (and my own experiments), I can’t help but feel there are a few additional mechanisms at work that the analogy doesn’t fully capture:
- Even with local playback, treating router/switch still improves SQ — so it’s not just about “source water,” EMI/RFI and ground noise matter too.
- Noise isn’t only upstream? Every device adds some along the way (server, DAC, preamp).
- Digital issues (jitter, modulation) don’t map neatly onto water flow.
- Veridion scales with treated mass — extra couplers, extra PC cords in the strip, LAN links, connectors all add up.
- (DC still is the odd one out: shorter is better to avoid noise pickup, while Ethernet chains get stronger).
There are obviously many factors that shape how a setup will sound. The analogies I shared were an attempt to explain how we ranked the impact of each part of the chain.
Take local playback as an example. For a while, it gave us lower noise compared to streaming. But once we dropped the overall noise floor, the noise from reading files off the SSD and the extra CPU activity started to show up. At that stage, streaming Redbook actually felt more “alive” than listening to streaming upscaled or remastered files.
Our slogan is that our technology “reveals the hidden potential” , and this is not just a marketing line. The more our technology is applied across the entire audio and video chain, the more you uncover what your system is truly capable of.
We don’t yet commercialize the Veridion version of the audio and video components, which represents our full vision. At this stage, the closer you move toward an end-to-end connection using both our power and signal cables, the more your setup begins to operate at its optimal state, unlocking its maximum performance.
And this is something that can’t be fully explained in theory, it’s only through firsthand experience that you realize what your system has been holding back. The result often comes with genuine revelations and countless “wow” moments.
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