Rob,
In my auditions I always assume the worst case - that the recording has peak level at 0 dB. Most probably this will not happen, but I can be sure I will not have voltage clipping.
Objectivist or Subjectivist? Give Me a Break
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Rob,
In my auditions I always assume the worst case - that the recording has peak level at 0 dB. Most probably this will not happen, but I can be sure I will not have voltage clipping.
Actually, I have as much respect for lawyers as for doctors and any other professionals. I object when some people characterize all lawyers as corrupt or ambulance chasers etc. Sure there are bad ones, but there are bad doctors, bad traffic planners, bad cops, and so forth.
That said, I still think your grasp of logic is suspect, whether intentional or not.
--Ethan
tomOlex-I hate when that happens! Sorry.
Let's see . there were two links prvided in post # 849 http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/05/...ve-debate.html on topic: and post #852 http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs...-?cid=EDNToday . One was posted by "tomOlex" and the other by DonH50. Both had similar content. This quote was taken from Dons'link:
Consequently neither member originated the quote. But they appeared to me to endorse it. (meaning the two articles and content.) Don has already disavowed such endorsement . It seems Tom s also. Fair enough.
greg
Hey guys...lighten up. It's just a hobby. Lawyer jokes? I've got a million of 'em. Lawyers in the family will do that.
Tim
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/05/...ve-debate.html on topic:
No doubt Fremer is a hero of the subjectivist camp. He certainly is my hero. He's not afraid to to take on the so called experts. His success is the subject of repeated challenges. So much so he has been dubbed the "lucky coin "or "ringer" as stated above. Of course we all know the challlenger always wants a shot (or rematch if he's been previously defeated by the champ) at the title..
For this "fact" filled aricle what does "the results were a mixed bag" mean"?... "at least a few blind listening tests" . Just how many is that? Objectivists claim that these products and assoiciated claims represent anything from 'snake oil to outright fraud. If Mr. Fremer can hear them then the inescapapble conclusion is they do in fact exist. There relative importance and value to audiophiles may remain a matter for debates. No doubt that explains the new arguments of "masking effect",etc. You know, it may exist but you can't hear it. If it may exist does not Mr. Fremer et al deserve an apology? At the very least against the claims of "Snake oil" and fraud. Don't hold your breath.
How many times did Fremer ID what, out of how many tries? Inescapable conclusion...those are two really big words, begging really serious standards. Ad who accused Fremer of fraud? I'm not holding my breath either. Personally, what I usually accuse guys like Fremer of is hyperbole, and you're currently indulging very deeply in it. "Fraud," I typically like to save for things like demagnetizing CDs. Has Fremer differentiated that in a blind test?
Tim
---Michael Fremer is just an audio reviewer with a turntable (or two) and a bunch of LPs. :b
...Lots of LPs! ...And he's a comedian too, or was, or still is, but not as a living, I think.
...Lots of LPs! ...And he's a comedian too, or was, or still is, but not as a living, I think.
Tim,
Perhaps Greg should write us a standard disclaimer we put in our post signature every time we recommend something. Fraud is really a severe accusation.
Tim,
Perhaps Greg should write us a standard disclaimer we put in our post signature every time we recommend something. Fraud is really a severe accusation.
That would be a fun exercise for the lawyers here. Perhaps it could read:
"The opinions expressed here are just that, 'opinions.' They are based on my experience, and where indicated, whatever tests I have specifically described in the accompanying text. My views should not be taken as a personal endorsement or guarantee that you will experience the same results, or come to the same conclusions that I have. I have not been offered or received any form of consideration from the manufacturer or supplier of the equipment in question, and where I do take advantage of an 'industry accomodation' price, it is because I like that particular piece of equipment well enough to buy it for myself, nothing more."
Of course, you could turn this into a silly disclaimer:
"As may be obvious, I have no clue as to what I am talking about. I utilize every trite convention of the audiophile vernacular to reach shallow, and often, meaningless conclusions, based on 'listening tests' that involve neither 'listening' nor any real testing. Indeed, half the time, I am preoccupied with other things as I write my comments, and probably wouldn't know what a real instrument sounds like, or test result looks like, if it bit me in the ass."
Go for it.
Tim,
Perhaps Greg should write us a standard disclaimer we put in our post signature every time we recommend something. Fraud is really a severe accusation.
Perhaps in Portugal. Here in the US, consumer protections are incredibly weak and advertising claims are unmonitored by anyone but consumers themselves. The exceptions being food and drugs. We do a little better there. Standard disclaimers? MHO. YMMV.
Tim
Or this:
I would wish I said that, but I've already got a bad enough reputation around here.
Tim
I would wish I said that, but I've already got a bad enough reputation around here.
Tim
"As may be obvious, I have no clue as to what I am talking about. I utilize every trite convention of the audiophile vernacular to reach shallow, and often, meaningless conclusions, based on 'listening tests' that involve neither 'listening' nor any real testing. Indeed, half the time, I am preoccupied with other things as I write my comments, and probably wouldn't know what a real instrument sounds like, or test result looks like, if it bit me in the ass."
How did you know? You must have bugged my listening room/computer.
How did you know? You must have bugged my listening room/computer.
---- What do you guys think of all those FBI warnings at the beginning of each Blu-ray movie?
Now they even have more; three logos and texts in English, French, and Spanish.
...& in front of a full bright & bloody red screen (the texts).
...Enough to give you a heart attack before the film even begins!
Now they even have more; three logos and texts in English, French, and Spanish.
...& in front of a full bright & bloody red screen (the texts).
...Enough to give you a heart attack before the film even begins!
I'm chuckling at the irony of them being perfectly preserved on the 'pirate' copies I buy here in China
I'm chuckling at the irony of them being perfectly preserved on the 'pirate' copies I buy here in China
-----Richard, are you an objectivist, or a subjectivist? :b
* Can we be both?
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