How Good a CD Transport is Required to Sound Better than Streaming?

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There seems to be a fairly solid consensus (Lucasz Ficus, LL21, Al M, etc.) that CD playback or computer file playback, or perhaps both, sound better than streaming (assuming, of course, that all other variables, including the DAC, are held constant).

But I assume that one cannot assume that any device that can spin a CD necessarily will achieve better sound quality than will streaming.

So how good a CD transport does one need to achieve CD playback which sounds better than streaming? Where do the lines (rising sound quality of better transport and streaming sound quality) cross?
 
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As far as I remember, using a x16 standard TEAC CD reader in my computer copies made with dBpoweramp with Accuraterip never lasted more than fifteen
minutes.
I ripped about 2000 CDs. Average time was about 5 minutes per. A handful were like your longer ones. One CD took 2 hours, one took 10 hours. The one that took two hours is not perfect, it still has a short burst of ugly distortion. The other plays normally.
 
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Plasticky sound is the typical sound signature that I associate with suboptimal streaming (and suboptimal computer audio in general). Physical CD playback usually distinguishes itself from that in a positive manner. And yes, good CD playback doesn't sound thin either.
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IMHO the most important advantage of EAC, XLD, and dBpoweramp is their ability to correct the read and write offsets of the drives. I’ve used Yamaha F1, made-in-Japan Plextors, as well as Pioneer slot-loading drives. I get the best results with internal SATA drives over USB ones—especially with Panasonic slot-loading models. As for media, I prefer Mitsui (MAM-A) gold CD-Rs and Taiyo Yuden discs.
 
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IMHO the most important advantage of EAC, XLD, and dBpoweramp is their ability to correct the read and write offsets of the drives. I’ve used Yamaha F1, made-in-Japan Plextors, as well as Pioneer slot-loading drives. I get the best results with internal SATA drives over USB ones—especially with Panasonic slot-loading models. As for media, I prefer Mitsui (MAM-A) gold CD-Rs and Taiyo Yuden discs.
Same here. However, it does not read faded CDr discs using so far, any drive I have that isn't top loaded as are the Jay's and Shanling. No CD player either including old Kyocera or Arcams with Philips CDM 9 swing arm mechanism. 5 minutes typical EAC ripping, just great results (my friend only listens to his 3,000+ CDs ripped using EAC from new discs). Over the past 30 years, I've only used those two manufacturer CDrs (now with SS and HD back-ups) for my 150+ recordings) with a few receiving the rare all black CDrs (not with the ruby red centers). I currently have about 1,000 Taiyo Yuden (Japan, not Taiwan), 200 MAM-A and 400+ black CDrs in stock for myself.

I've just had five funerals wherein three of the four recorded videos the families requested thumb drive copies rather than a DVD. As to audio friends, I often give them thumb drive copies of dozens of recordings as they request.
 
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I came here hoping to get some recommendations on which CD transports to get that will beat my streaming and local files. After many pages, not sure I have found a firm answer …
 
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I came here hoping to get some recommendations on which CD transports to get that will beat my streaming and local files. After many pages, not sure I have found a firm answer …

CD transport and DAC are a system. The choice of the transport will depend on DAC , the whole system and your preference - don't expect a recipe.

When I owned a Metronome digital system the Metronome Calypso (Kalista) transport sounded great in the tubed Metronome C2 DAC. However when using the dCS Vivaldi the system I did not like the Calypso, the dCS Vivaldi transport was much better.
 
buddy of mine just got a shanling onix and he says its software specific vs his taiko extreme. dac is MSB
 
I've used Plextors and a 25 year old Yamaha to attempt transfers of fading CDrs with no luck into EAC. Maybe I'll try dBpoweramp as you state it's much faster.
For Plextors, only the ones produced in USA or Japan (pre 2002?) are better at extraction. However these drives use the defunct IDE interface, so unless you have an IDE enclosure you can't use them. (Pre Sata and PCIe). Also, any drive that also handles DVD will be inferior. And yes, something like dbPowerAmp will rip those trouble discs better than EAC, they will allow some errors through, but you generally won't hear the difference much. Its better to get a successful rip than have nothing.
 
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buddy of mine just got a shanling onix and he says its software specific vs his taiko extreme. dac is MSB
Have not heard Shanling. I have heard some other Chinese made transports (Jay's CDT3 and CDT2, and Denafrips) and the latter one compared to streaming. They are surprisingly good for their price. Not sure about long term reliability though.
 
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Have not heard Shanling. I have heard some other Chinese made transports (Jay's CDT3 and CDT2, and Denafrips) and the latter one compared to streaming. They are surprisingly good for their price. Not sure about long term reliability though.
I've used my Jay's for about 1.5 years with zero problems. Superb build for a Chinese device with excellent vibration isolation of it's components. For the price, can't be beat (weighs 45 lbs CDt3 mk3). As to the Shanling, my friends have used it for nearly 2 years daily as well. No issues. Silver version is easier to put the large glass clamp down than black on black.
I know this is WBF. Maybe these aren't the best (Kalista, etc.) but the $729 and $5000 price of those are a bargain for how they sound.

The Denafrips was reportedly 4 lbs heavier than the Jay's and they look identical other than their components. They swear they were not built in the same factory. Denafrips ran out of mechanisms so they ceased production per a conversation with the company.
 
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Yeah, I have read some of their stories and articles. I think of them as nothing more than "clickbait". IOW, disregard. YMMV, this is just my stance with them.

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Yeah, I have read some of their stories and articles. I think of them as nothing more than "clickbait". IOW, disregard. YMMV, this is just my stance with them.

Tom
What is the origination of the streamed music? Do you know what mastering one receives through streaming? Unless you know, how can you be certain that streaming is superior to CD playback? I know some of the famous and not so famous remastering engineers. My remastering engineers knew many of the recording engineers. Between the two levels of putting together a master tape made for analog and digital distribution (if it isn't digitally recorded), it is easy to determine what a CD and a streamed version of the music should sound like, unless it underwent significant remastering again, purposefully, or through a process to digitize for the CD or streaming. I stick with CD quality generally with very occasional streamed digital sound being at or above the CD quality level. Much of streamed analog music sounds like crap to me. This has no bearing on music put on a server or digital saved format (HD, SSD, thumb drive, flash memory devices). I found that the latter can be equivalent to CD (or SACD or Blu-Ray quality).
 
What does any of that have to do with my quoted post?

Tom
Well, the thread has some arguments made against CD transports and CD playback. It appears that the "clickbait" is also occasionally provided with valid reasons for CD playback to generally be superior to streamed music content. I have viewed numerous YouTube videos on the subject and a few made similar points as I have. So have written articles in various on-line audio journals (Positive Feedback and I forgot others I read).

Sorry if I misunderstood your intentions but not all "clickbait" is bad (unlike those on deceased film stars did scandalous things and will make one gasp are typically totally irrelevant to the documentaries which they are linked with).
 

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