Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings

[hopkins]

No I am saying a recording of what you play through your system or any system will never sound close to that YT clip.

You mean that a recording of a live event is never going to sound like the real thing? Thanks for the info...

The irony is that the very people who explain this (and tell us: don't listen to the original track!) claim that live music is their reference for what their system should sound like. Go figure.

 

[PeterA]

note to self; continue to just abstain from commenting on system video postings or system video process methodology. as tempting as it is.

this after starting to post multiple times, and thinking better of it. better to simply take an occasional look-see.

Mike, you and others who see no value should simply ignore such threads. But you find a way to comment anyway, not about the topic being discussed but a note to yourself and as an inference about your disapproval of the subject and about those who are discussing it.

 

[Carlos269]

Your "Hello" video has pretty poor recording quality. I don't see how you would expect anyone to conclude anything about your system based on this.

This is recorded from my desktop speakers (Vanatoo, 500$), playing Qobuz from Google Chrome...

Videos are a treacherous exercise, both for those who publish them and for those who comment on them

You are funny. So what are your sound notes on the Magico M9, CH+, Nagra HD video?

I think this serves as a testimonial on your hearing skills. If you don’t hear the depth, transparency, air and sound quality differences between my recording and that of your laptop then maybe this isn’t the hobby for you. You must be able to discern sound qualities to make the most of this hobby. I’m sorry but time and time again the differences in sound qualities exhibited in these two videos is obvious, at least to me. Next time record the track playing through on your system instead of the official video on a laptop.

Try to learn and understand the meaning of the title of this thread before you offer commentary.

 

[hopkins]

You are funny. So what are your sound notes on the Magico M9, CH+, Nagra HD video?

I think this serves as a testimonial on your hearing skills. If you don’t hear the depth, transparency, air and sound quality differences between my recording and that of your laptop then maybe this isn’t the hobby for you. You must be able to discern sound quality yo make the most of this hobby. I’m sorry but you one and time again the differences in sound quality exhibited in these two videos is obvious, at least to me. Next time record the track playing through your system instead of the official video on a laptop.

Thanks for your kind words, but I never said there were no differences. What I do hear in your video is that the voice is recessed, distant, and lacks presence. If you choose a vocal track (that has very little to offer aside for her voice) perhaps you could make a little effort to record it correctly. Just friendly advice. I would not offer this advice were it not clear that you put a lot of pride in what you do (which is good).

 

[PeterA]

Try to learn and understand the meaning of the title of this thread before you offer commentary.

Thank you for making this point. I presume @Ron Resnick had a very specific intent when he started this thread.

 

[Carlos269]

Thanks for your kind words, but I never said there were no differences. What I do hear in your video is that the voice is recessed, distant, and lacks presence. If you choose a vocal track (that has very little to offer aside for her voice) perhaps you could make a little effort to record it correctly. Just friendly advice. I would not offer this advice were it not clear that you put a lot of pride in what you do (which is good).

Make a video of your system playing back the same song so we can hear what you mean.

I think that the title states (Carlos269 Edition) so I made no claims that this was the version from the record company. We have discussed this previously. My System-Remastering process allows me to change the sound presentation to match my preferences. Part of learning is understanding the concept and then the details make more sense.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Mike, you and others who see no value should simply ignore such threads. But you find a way to comment anyway, not about the topic being discussed but as a general comment to and about those who are discussing it.

i'm neutral about the subject's benefits, but am admittedly drawn to the banter and finer points. not dissing anyone or anything.

have i made any disparaging comments about this? saying it's entertaining and thought provoking is not any slight. and i don't intend any. which is why my many post attempts have not been actually posted. and why i did mention my struggles with this.

 

[Carlos269]

i'm neutral about the subject's benefits, but am admittedly drawn to the banter and finer points. not dissing anyone or anything.

have i made any disparaging comments about this? saying it's entertaining and thought provoking is not any slight. and i don't intend any.

Mike I recall listening to videos of your system and I can understand why you don’t want to participate. It is easy to paint flowers with typed words, it is an entirely different matter to post a system video for others to judge and critique. One takes a lot more confidence.

 

[hopkins]

Make a video of your system playing back the same song so we can hear what you mean.

I think that the title states (Carlos269 Edition) so I made no claims that this was the version from the record company. We have discussed this previously. My System-Remastering process allows me to change the sound presentation to match my preferences. Part of learning is understanding the concept and then the details make more sense.

To be clear, I understand that you apply all this processing to transform the track into something you find pleasing. I don't see why one could not compare it to the original. In fact, you really should post a video without the processing to illustrate the difference.

 

[hopkins]

Make a video of your system playing back the same song so we can hear what you mean.

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I noticed after loading it that there is some static, but I don't feel like doing it over.

It is like hearing two different songs. I don't actually know to what extent the recessed vocals are due to your recording or are intentional (i.e. your processing). In the original "non processed" recording, the vocals are certainly very prominent, perhaps it is too much, but that is her style, like it or not.

 

[Carlos269]

In fact, you really should post a video without the processing to illustrate the difference.

I have done exactly that a number of times on my “There is a smarter way” thread. There you can compare the sound of my WAAR system on a number of track before and after the system-Remastering process.

By the tweaks and components we choose, we are all “Remastering”, it is that I have taken that concept to a more prescribed and tactical level than had been done previously.

 

[Carlos269]

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It is like hearing two different songs. I don't actually know to what extent the recessed vocals are due to your recording or are intentional (i.e. your processing).

Compare to my personal preferences, the sound on your system video sounds ”flat” and lacking in resolution, low-level and inner detail. Those are some of the sound qualities that I imparted on the sound of my WAAR system. I hope that you can discern this by comparison and contrast. I like a “live” feel to my sound and your system video sounds devoid of life. Just my honest opinion. I prefer a sound that is more “exciting” in my sound reproduction.

 

[hopkins]

Compare to my personal preferences, the sound on your system video sounds”flat” and lacking in resolution, low-level and inner detail. Those are some of the sound qualities that I imparted on the sound of my WAAR system. I hope that you can discern this by comparison and contrast. I like a “live” feel to my sound and your system video sounds devoid of life. Just my honest opinion. I prefer a sound that is more “exciting” in my sound reproduction.

As the author of the videos, the tendency is to look for in the videos those aspects that we appreciate when listening to the system live, especially when we are so intent on communicating them to others. As a result, we sometimes lack objectivity, or "awareness".

 

[Carlos269]

Ron directed the video conversation to this thread and then Ron bailed on the conversation but I have not forgotten about where we left off:

Fields of Gold (Carlos269 Edition)

 

[Carlos269]

As the author of the videos, the tendency is to look for in the videos those aspects that we appreciate when listening to the system live, especially when we are so intent on communicating them to others. As a result, we sometimes lack objectivity, or "awareness".

That’s why we post our system videos here for other impartial parties to judge and critique.

 

[hopkins]

That’s why we post our system videos here for other impartial parties to judge and critique.

Not really. I have posted videos because I thought some people would be curious to hear them - for what that's worth. Most of the time, the strengths (if any) and weaknesses of our systems are pretty obvious when listening live, or when playing back the videos - but I am not putting videos out there expecting that I am going to get pointers from anyone, and I am not looking for peer approval. I have had people other to listen and have followed some of their advice.

Unlike you I have never pretended it is "What's Best". We do what we can and work within constraints (space, time, and cost).

Maybe I don't belong to the "What's Best" Forum

 

[Rexp]

Compare to my personal preferences, the sound on your system video sounds ”flat” and lacking in resolution, low-level and inner detail. Those are some of the sound qualities that I imparted on the sound of my WAAR system. I hope that you can discern this by comparison and contrast. I like a “live” feel to my sound and your system video sounds devoid of life. Just my honest opinion. I prefer a sound that is more “exciting” in my sound reproduction.

I agree your video has more life to it but you are kinda cheating by remastering the track.
On the other hand, most videos of digital playback here sound lifeless to me so it's not always the original recording that's at fault.

 

[Carlos269]

Thanks for your kind words, but I never said there were no differences. What I do hear in your video is that the voice is recessed, distant, and lacks presence. If you choose a vocal track (that has very little to offer aside for her voice) perhaps you could make a little effort to record it correctly. Just friendly advice. I would not offer this advice were it not clear that you put a lot of pride in what you do (which is good).

You should not post for acceptance or validation. You should post what you are proud of having achieved. I have actually implemented corrective action based on comments that I received so I’m not arrogant to not listen to what others have to say. If you are looking for affirmation then perhaps speaking with a professional with a couch might be more effective and beneficial.

 

[PeterA]

To be clear, I understand that you apply all this processing to transform the track into something you find pleasing. I don't see why one could not compare it to the original. In fact, you really should post a video without the processing to illustrate the difference.

Carlos’ horn/SET system videos do not have processing as far as I understand it. I generally prefer these but it is not my system. Regardless, the thread is about in room acoustally coupled videos presumably made with an iPhone. Why compare that to something completely different? Some digital file does not sound like real music, at least to me. Why refer to it and try to emulate it?

We are recording our systems playing music in our rooms and sharing them here. I don’t choose my gear and set it up to sound like a YouTube file. I choose the gear and set it up in my room in such a way to remind me of what I hear live.

 

[hopkins]

You should not post for acceptance or validation. You should post what you are proud of having achieved. I have actually implemented corrective action based on comments that I received so I’m not arrogant to not listen to what others have to say. If you are looking for affirmation then perhaps speaking with a professional with a couch might be more effective and beneficial.

Thanks, but as I said I am not looking for affirmation...

If I want a different sound, I change speakers. Each speaker has its limitations, and remastering is not going to change that!

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