How do you know when you are done?

[microstrip]

There is still a lot of music that is not available on streaming services.

Can you quantify this statement?

BTW I would easily risk to say that more 78rpm music is reachable by streaming than by vinyl... Extremely rich audio archives that have been digitized are now accessible in streaming.

 

[microstrip]

A tube amp driven horn system playing vinyl is the best. That is the OBJECTIVE TRUTH.

(At least that's what the subjective consensus of some of the loudest and most persistent voices on WBF seems to say. Do they speak for everyone? They sure would like to think so. Hehe, good luck with that.)

Al M,

You are forgetting the second amendment - if you own the more successful horn speakers the planet - Avantgarde Acoustic - you are allowed to keep and bear solid state and digital gear.

 

[Al M.]

Al M,

You are forgetting the second amendment - if you own the more successful horn speakers the planet - Avantgarde Acoustic - you are allowed to keep and bear solid state and digital gear.

No such allowances granted by the most strident members here

 

[PYP]

Yes that about sums up a lot WBF back and forths and our society as a whole I’m afraid. The “hobby” to me is to continue the fellowship I had as a teenager and young man when my friends and I were exploring the world and all its great music together. The challenge is that as adults we have morphed into the unhealthy creatures you describe and that real fellowship and healthy exploitation is very hard to come by these days.

when cultures or hobbies move from a "look for the similarities" mindset, to a "look for the differences" mindset, it becomes easier to reject civility and conviviality.

 

[PYP]

In that case, I should own these....

That is preferred to this:

 

[hopkins]

Can you quantify this statement?

BTW I would easily risk to say that more 78rpm music is reachable by streaming than by vinyl... Extremely rich audio archives that have been digitized are now accessible in streaming.

No I cannot, but quantity is not the issue.

Via a vis 78 rpm music, good quality re-issues are not always available on streaming services (ex: Mosaic Records catalogs). These re-issues often contain unissued alternate takes.

My biggest issue with streaming, however, is the lack of liner notes (booklets).

 

[PYP]

My biggest issue with streaming, however, is the lack of liner notes (booklets).

I mIss that too. What one does gain, however, is a bio of the artists, discography and hyperlinks to similar artists and music. It is a trade-off, to be sure.

 

[microstrip]

when cultures or hobbies move from a "look for the similarities" mindset, to a "look for the differences" mindset, it becomes easier to reject civility and conviviality.

I can't understand you. The high-end is intrinsically a "look for the differences mindset". We must keep an open mind for the differences and accept them, and particularly accept debating them. If we just focus on the similarities it and laudation it becomes a boring WBF.

IMO civility and conviviality should be part of the difference. There are fundamental issues that mark the difference between analog and digital - contrary to what some people seem to believe, it is not like a solid state versus tube or horn versus box speaker. Curiously, it is more like "you are done" ...

 

[Mike Lavigne]

My biggest issue with streaming, however, is the lack of liner notes (booklets).

for some music the actual track title composer sometimes has a wealth of information. and then you can see/listen to all the covers.

I mIss that too. What one does gain, however, is a bio of the artists, discography and hyperlinks to similar artists and music. It is a trade-off, to be sure.

on line research is easy but time consuming, while i do agree not as easy as CD liner notes.

i did much enjoy the backs of Lp jackets while sorting my classical Lp collection. but mostly it just wet my appetite to dig deeper.

it comes down to how hurried one might be. CD liner notes are 'in hand'. something personal.

 

[hopkins]

for some music the actual track title composer sometimes has a wealth of information. and then you can see/listen to all the covers.

When it comes to Jazz, I like to know where and when a track was recorded, which musicians were involved, and optionally the order of the solos. I believe that a lot of jazz enthusiasts appreciate having that information, and it is not always so easy to find.

Liner notes can also be interesting for the comments/criticism.

 

[microstrip]

(...) My biggest issue with streaming, however, is the lack of liner notes (booklets).

The same for me. But for classic music we can find many of them in the net.
In fact, my interest in some recordings was triggered by reading liner notes first.

BTW, when we buy digital files we can usually get the pdf liner note.

 

[microstrip]

(...) i did much enjoy the backs of Lp jackets while sorting my classical Lp collection. but mostly it just wet my appetite to dig deeper. (...)

Yes, nothing can beat the 12" square LP jackets and inside. Unfortunately we are becoming too environment friendly or lazy - a color A3 printer could easily solve this problem!

 

[Atmasphere]

I agree Wil. It applies to both sides of the debate. And I see it from both sides.

There was a time when people did their thing and shared the results in an open and friendly forum. They would seek advice and receive support and meet like-minded hobbyists. This led to learning and to convivial exchanges and a sense of community. I don’t know what happened, but it seems a bit more combative now.

I've been on the internet since before the web existed. rec.audio.highend; those that remember know it involved a lot of flame wars. By comparison things are pretty chill now; it helps that there are site posting rules and moderation.

 

[Al M.]

I've been on the internet since before the web existed. rec.audio.highend; those that remember know it involved a lot of flame wars. By comparison things are pretty chill now; it helps that there are site posting rules and moderation.

Yes, and the current debates on analog vs digital on WBF have nothing on the truly vicious and flame-throwing debates on WBF of the topic from 10 or so years ago. It was way more combative then. We should not fall into the typical trap of "the good old times were better" bias.

 

[PeterA]

Yes, and the current debates on analog vs digital on WBF have nothing on the truly vicious and flame-throwing debates on WBF of the topic from 10 or so years ago. It was way more combative then. We should not fall into the typical trap of "the good old times were better" bias.

Do you think the tone on WBF is better now?

 

[PYP]

I can't understand you. The high-end is intrinsically a "look for the differences mindset". We must keep an open mind for the differences and accept them, and particularly accept debating them. If we just focus on the similarities it and laudation it becomes a boring WBF.

Agreed. Keeping an open mind is the key part when considering differences. Not finding "opposition in difference" might have been a better way of expressing what I'm trying to say. When we come to believe that someone with a different opinion is somehow the "enemy," we lose our humanity. OK, I'll get off the soap box now... Don't intend to imply any politics here. This is a comment about culture and how we treat each other.

 

[bonzo75]

We should not fall into the typical trap of "the good old times were better" bias.

lol are you conflating this with why vintage drivers are better? Do you also prefer marvel movies to the godfather, good bad ugly, etc?

 

[bonzo75]

Do you think the tone on WBF is better now?

I think he agrees some of the shift to sets horns from cone speakers is positive

 

[Al M.]

Do you think the tone on WBF is better now?

In some ways yes, in other ways no.

 

[Al M.]

lol are you conflating this with why vintage drivers are better? Do you also prefer marvel movies to the godfather, good bad ugly, etc?

Huh?