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I have a grounding wire. When the electrician put in everything, we tried the grounding wire connected to the copper rod and then to the copper water supply pipe. Both were an improvement to the sound over the configuration I had before with the old panel and old grounding wire. The copper rod sounds better than the water pipe so we kept it connected to the copper rod. The electrician came back three weeks later and said that in my town, the grounding wire had to be connected to the water pipe, so we unclamped it and connected it to the water pipe to meet the code. I don’t understand what the confusion is about. It all meets code and sounds great. It just sounded slightly better when it was once connected to the grounding rod instead.
 
Yikes! There's a very good reason its against code. I'd be a bit nervous switching back and forth, since the neutral (white) wire of the AC line in the wall is connected to the breaker box and the same place the ground (green) wire is. There could be a difference in Voltage! Additionally, the house wiring ground is the one that is important if you really want to keep noise down (along with proper grounding practice in each bit of equipment used).

Ralph … These are the Karmeli Codes !
 
Ralph … These are the Karmeli Codes !

Most probably there will be some differences between the Utah and Boston local codes.

Although I have a dedicated listening room, electrical safety has always been a concern to me. I am sometimes astonished how people refer that this hobby should be shared with family and friends and own equipment with exposed very high voltage tubes, sometimes on stands on the floor.
 
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Most probably there will be some differences between the Utah and Boston local codes.

Although I have a dedicated listening room, electrical safety has always been a concern to me. I am sometimes astonished how people refer that this hobby should be shared with family and friends and own equipment with exposed very high voltage tubes, sometimes on stands on the floor.
Honestly, I would be surprised if there are many building codes in Utah. It’s a highly deregulated state except the consumption of alcohol.
 
Honestly, I would be surprised if there are many building codes in Utah. It’s a highly deregulated state except the consumption of alcohol.
both states must use the NEC (National Electrical Code) as a baseline, and Insurance companies and State Insurance Commissioners are going to be pretty strong. code differences will be minor. variances will be more whether the Electrical Contractor will do the project as domestic or commercial.

in my case i did get my contractor to eliminate the GFI's on each of the 10 circuits of my system grid (for lower noise) for my room since it was in a separate building and could be viewed as commercial (no water and not meant for children).

where the State Regulation differences might be more is the view of HVAC related to the politics of fossil fuel.
 
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both states must use the NEC (National Electrical Code) as a baseline, and Insurance companies and State Insurance Commissioners are going to be pretty strong. code differences will be minor. variances will be more whether the Electrical Contractor will do the project as domestic or commercial.

in my case i did get my contractor to eliminate the GFI's on each of the 10 circuits of my system grid (for lower noise) for my room since it was in a separate building and could be viewed as commercial (no water and not meant for children).

where the State Regulation differences might be more is the view of HVAC related to the politics of fossil fuel.
My sarcasm didn't translate on the page Mike.....
 
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I have a grounding wire. When the electrician put in everything, we tried the grounding wire connected to the copper rod and then to the copper water supply pipe. Both were an improvement to the sound over the configuration I had before with the old panel and old grounding wire. The copper rod sounds better than the water pipe so we kept it connected to the copper rod. The electrician came back three weeks later and said that in my town, the grounding wire had to be connected to the water pipe, so we unclamped it and connected it to the water pipe to meet the code. I don’t understand what the confusion is about. It all meets code and sounds great. It just sounded slightly better when it was once connected to the grounding rod instead.
This suggests that something in the system does not have a proper internal grounding scheme. Grounding in high end audio has been a bit of the Wild West in that some companies have it sorted out and others simply have no idea what's going on and anything in between. If everything is working right, the ground to the rod should have made no difference at best. Usually you want everything grounded at the same potential to minimize noise.
 
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Peter, why dont you have some nice neutral diffusers constructed and built in, instead of the loose planks ? You really cant say you have a untreated room anyway and it would look better. :)
 
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Peter, why dont you have some nice neutral diffusers constructed and built in, instead of the loose planks ? You really cant say you have a untreated room anyway and it would look better. :)

Hello Milan. I agree and it’s on my list of projects. I plan to build my own. The beauty of the planks is that they are cheap very effective and mobile. I can remove them when we entertain completely from the room. Every now and then I still experiment with which arrangement is most effective.

Right now I have another month of sailing and remain somewhat busy at work. I’m hoping to complete this project this winter or when I have some more time. I’m not worried about it. Life is good and my wife is tolerant. The important thing is that I don’t have absorption all over the room. Going down that path with my old system was an important lesson.
 
Hello Milan. I agree and it’s on my list of projects. I plan to build my own. The beauty of the planks is that they are cheap very effective and mobile. I can remove them when we entertain completely from the room. Every now and then I still experiment with which arrangement is most effective.

Right now I have another month of sailing and remain somewhat busy at work. I’m hoping to complete this project this winter or when I have some more time. I’m not worried about it. Life is good and my wife is tolerant. The important thing is that I don’t have absorption all over the room. Going down that path with my old system was an important lesson.
I agree . A few well placed diffusers can do wonders sometimes, whatever they are made of. Too much absorption often sucks the life out of the music. :)
 
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For those who want to compare on videos

It may be my crappy computer speakers, but I think the nearfield has a smoother sound. Kind of as though I'm hearing less echo from the room. The pluck of the strings sound more real when allowed to fill the room more though.
 
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