Problems with believability in audio

[Al M.]

He apparently is firmly grounded in his subjective opinions. Having passion about what you believe is a good thing. So is humility.

Right on. There are a few types on this forum who think their subjective preferences and perceptions are the general objective truth. They all share an admirable adherence to humility and self-reflection -- not.

 

[Lagonda]

Right on. There are a few types on this forum who think their subjective preferences and perceptions are the general objective truth. They all share an admirable adherence to humility and self-reflection -- not.

So true, i am somewhat allergic to behavior like that and my knee jerk reaction is to make fun of them. I have a serious mental malfunction ! Carlos really set me off !

 

[Al M.]

So true, i am somewhat allergic to behavior like that and my knee jerk reaction is to make fun of them. I have a serious mental malfunction ! Carlos really set me off !

Oh, I even forgot about that guy Yup, that was fun.

 

[sbo6]

Acoustats are ML knockoffs? Now who is being the funny guy here…

Acoustat Spectra 11 loudspeaker

www.stereophile.com

 

[Lagonda]

So me saying to keep reaching for that reference is conceit? Is that not one primary objective for us all in this hobby?

And firmly grounded and humility = repeatedly calling someone's baby ugly is OK? and Liked by the co-founder?

What an odd bunch of grumpy old men.

You where not the target of that post ! Dude was referring to the other guy .

 

[Al M.]

You where not the target of that post ! Dude was referring to the other guy .

That was very much my impression as well.

 

[SoundMann]

You're a funny one. I get you, you're one of those, "I heard this million $ system and my $5K system blows it away" and "nothing beats vinyl" kind of guys.

No, my system does not beat a true reference, multi-million dollar setup, and the components in my turntable alone have a retail value exceeding $5K.

Since you have never heard a direct to disc pressing in a true reference system vs the actual live unamplified event that it is a direct copy of, you simply cannot understand its supremacy over all other mediums.

Here's what I'll say - the component you chose in my system as potentially reference is the least reference caliber in my analog chain.

Nonsense. Your Kuzma tonearm isn't good enough to hear what your Opus is capable of.

Also, I heard your ML knockoffs many moons ago, Stereophile nailed it in their review. Here's a tip if I may - Magnepan.

My Spectra 11's are properly modified to deal with the inherent problems in its Rockford Fosgate sabotaged design.

Furthermore, they are superior ML knockoffs in modified form, and I have yet to here a Magnepan that I like better.

 

[SoundMann]

Right on. There are a few types on this forum who think their subjective preferences and perceptions are the general objective truth.

Because we all know that using a live unamplified acoustic event to judge the performance of a system which is reproducing that event while the playback source of the said event is a literal real-time direct to disc copy of it is merely a subjective exercise in futility, right?

 

[SoundMann]

Acoustat Spectra 11 loudspeaker

www.stereophile.com

To say that this speaker is an ML knockoff is a slap in the face to both the genius of Jim Strickland, as well as the completely incompetent engineering team at Rockford Fosgate!

 

[sbo6]

That was very much my impression as well.

Apologies if I misconstrued the post that included my post. We're all still grumpy old men. ;-)

 

[sbo6]

Since you have never heard a direct to disc pressing in a true reference system vs the actual live unamplified event that it is a direct copy of, you simply cannot understand its supremacy over all other mediums.

And you know this how?

Nonsense. Your Kuzma tonearm isn't good enough to hear what your Opus is capable of.

OK, I'll bite - What arm do you recommend that you have heard more than a handful of times in a system where you were able to compare to confidently state that arm X is better than a Kuzma 4 Point?

My Spectra 11's are properly modified to deal with the inherent problems in its Rockford Fosgate sabotaged design.

Furthermore, they are superior ML knockoffs in modified form, and I have yet to here a Magnepan that I like better.

So you're saying that 5 figure $ Magnepan 20.7 and 30.7s are inferior to your $800 30 - year old bass - tweaked speakers? Or that you haven't heard a Magnepan that you like better because you haven't heard many Magnepans if any?

Seems to me either your speakers are the bargain of the (last) century or Magnepans are a ripoff (which they're most definitely not.

 

[Al M.]

Apologies if I misconstrued the post that included my post. We're all still grumpy old men. ;-)

No worries. Hehe, yes we are

 

[sbo6]

To say that this speaker is an ML knockoff is a slap in the face to both the genius of Jim Strickland, as well as the completely incompetent engineering team at Rockford Fosgate!

Kind of like insulting the engineering prowess of Lawrence Dickie, Franc Kuzma, Kang Su Park and Vincent Brient?

 

[SoundMann]

And you know this how?

Believe me friend, I know.

OK, I'll bite - What arm do you recommend that you have heard more than a handful of times in a system where you were able to compare to confidently state that arm X is better than a Kuzma 4 Point?

Several, which I have already listed here.

So you're saying that 5 figure $ Magnepan 20.7 and 30.7s are inferior to your $800 30 - year old bass - tweaked speakers?

My $1K retail heavily modified Spectra 11's may not be in the same class as these over-priced bass and treble heavy Hype-Fi Magnepans, but their natural performance holds their own against them quite readily.

 

[SoundMann]

Kind of like insulting the engineering prowess of Lawrence Dickie, Franc Kuzma, Kang Su Park and Vincent Brient?

Where have I done such a thing?

 

[sbo6]

Believe me friend, I know.

If I believed you, I wouldn't have asked. You said, "Since you have never heard a direct to disc pressing in a true reference system vs the actual live unamplified event that it is a direct copy of, you simply cannot understand its supremacy over all other mediums.

You know this how?

Several, which I have already listed here.

I'll ask again - What arm do you recommend that you have heard more than a handful of times in a system where you were able to compare to confidently state that arm X is better than a Kuzma 4 Point?

My $1K retail heavily modified Spectra 11's may not be in the same class as these over-priced bass and treble heavy Hype-Fi Magnepans, but their natural performance holds their own against them quite readily.

Having heard many Maggies along with your speakers, I agree with your first 14 words. I truly am glad you're enjoying your system and speakers but comparing Spectra 11s to Magnepan 20.7s is like saying my Yugo's handling holds its own against a Porsche 911 GT3 RS.

 

[Al M.]

is like saying my Yugo's handling holds its own against a Porsche 911 GT3 RS.

LOL

 

[PeterA]

Wow, what was once an interesting thread based on an interesting article has completely fallen off the rails.

By the way, the tone arms already listed by SoundMann are the techDAS arm and SAT. Your Airtight opus one cartridge is superb.

 

[sbo6]

Where have I done such a thing?

Wow, what was once an interesting thread based on an interesting article has completely fallen off the rails.

By the way, the tone arms already listed by SoundMann are the techDAS arm and SAT. Your Airtight opus one cartridge is superb.

When people criticize, be prepared for it to temporarily get a little bit ugly. It's all good.

 

[SoundMann]

When people criticize, be prepared for it to temporarily get a little bit ugly. It's all good.

For the record, I never specifically intended to criticize your system. I was merely to point out that I didn't find to be in the company of the equipment that sets the true reference standard that I had earlier clarified, And neither does mine obviously.

Let's get back to the subject at hand, shall we?