Ron’s New System

[sbnx]

i only want warm and lush when the musical content is warm and lush. we especially want to avoid warm and lush as any sort of overlay or sameness. no smoothing or rounding. we do want transparent and resolving, but also full bodied, liquid and continuous and not grainy or bleached.

solid state can be all those things, but not typically.

100% agree with this.

 

[Atmasphere]

my hot-rodded Nuvistor tubed Ampex MR-70 tape preamps are pretty awesome and are not in any way colored. they are also 'of a piece' with the darts.

I expect that is a bit challenging finding Nuvistors for it. Lovely machine.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I expect that is a bit challenging finding Nuvistors for it.

not for my tape deck builder, ATR Service Inc. he has a large store of them on hand to support his on going MR-70 efforts.

Lovely machine.

thank you. they really are special.

 

[sbnx]

Avantgarde playing digital through SS will sound bright. Only so much lipstick you can put on it. I can understand in such a system why you think tubes only help colouring

My system does not sound bright by any stretch of the imagination. Even @Ronresnick, who claims he is extremely sensitive to this, commented on its lack of brightness. No one who has listened to my system has asked for the volume to be turned down. Or commented that it is bright sounding.

However, there is treble information. Perhaps you are looking for a sound that is rolled off.

 

[sbnx]

He has CH trios and has videos you can hear the compromises

Whose compromises? Yours?

This comment highlights the point of the main discussion. You like some specific sound and are not shy about telling everyone what that is and that every other sound is "bad". I am not saying that. People are free to choose what they like, but there are some mutally exclusive choises that will be made along the way.

 

[morricab]

Yes I am aware I visited the factory twice and also compared the SS amps with valve

Any AG demo I ever heard with SS I hated and any with valve was at least not terrible

 

[bonzo75]

My system does not sound bright by any stretch of the imagination. Even @Ronresnick, who claims he is extremely sensitive to this, commented on its lack of brightness. No one who has listened to my system has asked for the volume to be turned down. Or commented that it is bright sounding.

However, there is treble information. Perhaps you are looking for a sound that is rolled off.

Ron has selected various components for himself saying that they were not bright during audition and subsequently let them go saying they were exactly that. I never trusted his auditions.

looks like you are used to distortions. The video capability of your Beethoven 5 was very clear

 

[sbnx]

Ron has selected various components for himself saying that they were not bright during audition and subsequently let them go saying they were exactly that. I never trusted his auditions.

looks like you are used to distortions. The video capability of your Beethoven 5 was very clear

Can you point me to the video? I am pretty sure I have never recorded Beethoven 5. I don't play this symphony very often.

 

[bonzo75]

Can you point me to the video? I am pretty sure I have never recorded Beethoven 5. I don't play this symphony very often.

Think Kozak posted the B5 on your thread on trios, you posted Dvorak cello and Danse macabre in the compares, and Ron posted the black sabbath from your system on his video coverage

 

[Al M.]

Think Kozak posted the B5 on your thread on trios, you posted Dvorak cello and Danse macabre in the compares, and Ron posted the black sabbath from your system on his video coverage

Links?

 

[bonzo75]

Links?

Look up Todd’s thread

 

[bonzo75]

Links?

Btw you said my video of a live classical Bruckner 7 had subdued highs and less oomph

Post in thread 'Ron’s New System'
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/ron’s-new-system.35810/post-889978

 

[Al M.]

Btw you said my video of a live classical Bruckner 7 had subdued highs and less oomph

Post in thread 'Ron’s New System'
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/ron’s-new-system.35810/post-889978

From there:
"That's no comment on the live sound, but on the video."

 

[bonzo75]

From there:
"That's no comment on the live sound, but on the video."

Yes video of a live sound, clearly implies video extrapolation of the actual sound. We have discussed this in length. Video is an extrapolation, but if you think that extrapolation tells you the sound is rolled off and lacks oomph, it tells you how much your aural template is coloured by your system’s signature.

That video to me is reflecting loads of oomph and ideal highs, much like any live videos

 

[Al M.]

Look up Todd’s thread

You want me to look through all 16 pages? If you refer to a video, you might as well have a link handy.

 

[Al M.]

Yes video of a live sound, clearly implies video extrapolation of the actual sound. We have discussed this in length. Video is an extrapolation, but if you think that extrapolation tells you the sound is rolled off and lacks oomph, it tells you how much your aural template is coloured by your system’s signature.

You are blissfully clueless about me, my system and my experiences.

 

[Al M.]

Can you point me to the video? I am pretty sure I have never recorded Beethoven 5. I don't play this symphony very often.

Think Kozak posted the B5 on your thread on trios, you posted Dvorak cello and Danse macabre in the compares, and Ron posted the black sabbath from your system on his video coverage

I think Todd is right and you are wrong, Ked (unless you can convince me otherwise and find a video of Todd having recorded Beethoven 5). I found on Todd's 55-page thread the only Beethoven 5 on AGs that I remember (thread page 45, post #896):

Todd's AG Trio G3 System -- it's about time

I'm sorry if it appeared that way. Not intended to criticise tube lovers in any way, but there are some who (judging by their own postings) are obviously never going to investigate the alternatives. Maybe I was in that camp for 15 years or so. As you say, each to his own. This comes in two...

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If you consider the Beethoven 5 on the Avantgarde there, which is not Todd's system, to be sounding bright I agree with you. I said so at the time on the next thread page.

Your Altec video in that post sounds a bit muffled, but much more musical -- no comparison.

These live videos on thread page 47, (post #922)

Todd's AG Trio G3 System -- it's about time

Why don't you go to a live classical concert, Carlos, to hear what that really sounds like? (And yes, we have debated the video thing ad nauseam, nothing to add.) Next time that you are at classical music concert, check out where the microphones are positioned. They are in close proximity to...

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sound ok in terms of tonal balance, even though they still have some glare and grain on the strings that you don't hear live (as I said that the time, "they don't sound too great in the treble either"). But I guess that's YouTube.

Kozak did post some AG videos a few posts below these (not Beethoven 5, and again not Todds's system), and they sound also bright and bleached out.

But who knows if that's the actual system sound or just the video.

 

[Argonaut]

But who knows if that's the actual system sound or just the video.

Bingo …

 

[Al M.]

Bingo …

That's why I don't post system videos. The relationship between the system sound on a video and the actual system sound in the room is tenuous at best.

And no, there is nothing to "extrapolate". Except perhaps to some moderate extent when the video sound is halfway decent, which it rarely is.

 

[PeterA]

But who knows if that's the actual system sound or just the video.

Thanks for tracking down those links Al. As far as who knows how the actual system compares to the sound of the video, I would suggest the guy who heard the system and made the video. He of course can listen to both and make an assessment.