Zero Distortion: Tango Time

[andromedaaudio]

 

[zerostargeneral]

Andromeda this is my favourite post of yours.

Bravo and kindest regards,G.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

The juicy WE SUT Silver Can already went back to the vintage workshop. To be honest I like cartridge playing straight to my phono more. The SUT is just for me to utilize the mm input and give a different version of believability. The WE is the best SUT I had experienced so far (with the vdh). It triggered me to think more of how copper influence sound. I even pulled out ddk's copper speaker wire and replaced my silver gold cable just to study the similarity in sound if any as when I used the old copper WE SUT. I really like this part of questioning, learning and exploring. Rambling for so long here is my Neumann through WE SUT but in the system at the workshop that I like to go explore things these days. You will be hearing the system though Bill not just the cart. Only when you compare it with other carts that you will know how better it is

I really like these videos tbh. There is a magic and emotional tonality that is captivating in its way. Could listen for ages. Violin was pouring out emotion tears and the male jazz vocal was rich and tender. I like a lot.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Nice. Is this your Telefunken? Sounds very good. Any idea what the tape is and where I can get it lol.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Nice. Is this your Telefunken? Sounds very good. Any idea what the tape is and where I can get it lol.

No its not mine , i just thought it would fit nicely into Tangs collection .
I do like the sound also , plus its off course a gorgeous restoration job .

I suggest you email the you tube poster

zerostar?? just because its a hornvid , lol

 

[andromedaaudio]

Ps it could well be a MTSL tape , because it looks like a RMG studiomaster 900 label


Tang where are the Klangfilm pics ???
Did i miss something

 

[Tango]

I really like these videos tbh. There is a magic and emotional tonality that is captivating in its way. Could listen for ages. Violin was pouring out emotion tears and the male jazz vocal was rich and tender. I like a lot.

What you hear is exactly why I like going to this place. The system is so good doing tone my mind let go or let compromise other things that is lacking. Good ears you have Bill.

 

[Tango]

Ps it could well be a MTSL tape , because it looks like a RMG studiomaster 900 label


Tang where are the Klangfilm pics ???
Did i miss something

No pic because they are not here yet. David is making sure I have everything in one package so it takes time.

That Oistrakh tape is really a wow. I must have it if you know how pls.

 

[bonzo75]

No pic because they are not here yet. David is making sure I have everything in one package so it takes time.

That Oistrakh tape is really a wow. I must have it if you know how pls.

Steve also has the Oistrakh Scottish fantasia tape. He will know where to get it.

 

[Tango]

Steve also has the Oistrakh Scottish fantasia tape. He will know where to get it.

Dude I am talking Brahms why are you refering to Steve's Bruch?

 

[bonzo75]

Dude I am talking Brahms why are you refering to Steve's Bruch?

Bruch played in your video on LP so I thought you wanted that tape.

Just saw that Andro played Oistrakh Brahms on tape, but that is not his video. You will need to PM the guy on the channel

I have Oistrakh Brahms original on LP

 

[Solypsa]

What you hear is exactly why I like going to this place. The system is so good doing tone my mind let go or let compromise other things that is lacking. Good ears you have Bill

'So good you can forget about faults' - that's a great system, or friend

I love to learn about systems that have been crafted into great performance even though no ' modern essentials / tweaks'; components on wire rack, crossovers on floor, turntable on simple stand, cables not big as garden hose, etc...

I know the cart is very expensive, probably other things in system too.

 

[Tango]

I have Oistrakh Brahms original on LP

You can sell that to me.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

What you hear is exactly why I like going to this place. The system is so good doing tone my mind let go or let compromise other things that is lacking. Good ears you have Bill.

Hi Tang,

If we are all essentially seeking this feeling of letting our mind go and being emotionally absorbed in the music (I think most of us our with some minor exceptions - that is 100% my objective), I do think prioritisation of these tonal qualities should be literally at the top of the list for system choice and other attributes coming thereafter. The fact that you are able to “forgive” other aspects, and I totally agree with you, says it all. I think we often prioritise other attributes incorrectly.

 

[morricab]

Hi Tang,

If we are all essentially seeking this feeling of letting our mind go and being emotionally absorbed in the music (I think most of us our with some minor exceptions - that is 100% my objective), I do think prioritisation of these tonal qualities should be literally at the top of the list for system choice and other attributes coming thereafter. The fact that you are able to “forgive” other aspects, and I totally agree with you, says it all. I think we often prioritise other attributes incorrectly.

Agree, tonal qualities, especially those subtle gradations of tonal subtlety are one of my "big ticket" items in a hifi system. The other being dynamics, micro and macro, which is still for nothing if the tone is not true to what I know from live. I still have a residual adherence to that the system has to sound coherent, which is why I tend to stop at 2-way designs because higher numbers of drivers I tend to be able to pick out too well. However, it is tone that I zone in on when I listen to live, unamplified music, because the rest is just as it is and tonality so often wrong in playback.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Sometimes i think the whole audiophile industry is just one big road to sound smoothness .
The more smooth the sound the better it is .
Power conditioners thick cables resonance control racks everything to smooth it
It doesnt do it for me , thats why i hate audioshows its like smooth central.
Every thick cable , every power conditioner, every sound enhancing device they have in their productportfolio is plugged in .

Tang i send the poster an email in italian regarding the tape .

 

[Tango]

'So good you can forget about faults' - that's a great system, or friend

I love to learn about systems that have been crafted into great performance even though no ' modern essentials / tweaks'; components on wire rack, crossovers on floor, turntable on simple stand, cables not big as garden hose, etc...

I know the cart is very expensive, probably other things in system too.

People have to listen until one day become clear of what is the essence that should put money into and what is not. It is obvious and can be seen in so many systems on youtube, internet that sound really good with a very simple, practical, only the essentials set up. But I understand this is a hobby. Tweaking is fun. We are boys and boys like toys. That system sounds great because of Kondo and carefully selected vintage tubes too.

 

[PeterA]

People have to listen until one day become clear of what is the essence that should put money into and what is not. It is obvious and can be seen in so many systems on youtube, internet that sound really good with a very simple, practical, only the essentials set up. But I understand this is a hobby. Tweaking is fun. We are boys and boys like toys. That system sounds great because of Kondo and carefully selected vintage tubes too.

Listening and understanding what you prioritize or prefer, or as DDK says, what you value. It can be as simple as sounding “natural”. It can be a checklist of sonic attributes, or I can be something in between. Having a goal and understanding how to get there generally leads to success and satisfaction.

 

[Tango]

Hi Tang,

If we are all essentially seeking this feeling of letting our mind go and being emotionally absorbed in the music (I think most of us our with some minor exceptions - that is 100% my objective), I do think prioritisation of these tonal qualities should be literally at the top of the list for system choice and other attributes coming thereafter. The fact that you are able to “forgive” other aspects, and I totally agree with you, says it all. I think we often prioritise other attributes incorrectly.

Hi Bill,

I am a bit more greedy than that though Bill . I like listening orchestra. From listening various systems that have "the tone." They do extremely well on vocal, jazz and chamber but only "pretty good" on classical orchestra by my standard. My hypothesis is it has to do with copper. Copper has that aspect of "human" sound. But copper imo canbe less detailed and slow down transient a bit. I am not saying copper is the only thing to get the tone, just saying it has a lot of influence on tone. Tube also plays significant role.etc.etc. It is fun exploring.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Hi Bill,

I am a bit more greedy than that though Bill . I like listening orchestra. From listening various systems that have "the tone." They do extremely well on vocal, jazz and chamber but only "pretty good" on classical orchestra by my standard. My hypothesis is it has to do with copper. Copper has that aspect of "human" sound. But copper imo canbe less detailed and slow down transient a bit. I am not saying copper is the only thing to get the tone, just saying it has a lot of influence on tone. Tube also plays significant role.etc.etc. It is fun exploring.

Yes agree copper cabling is one major factor. If you use silver or silver plated copper, the system can shift slightly brighter with accentuation of the uppermost frequencies. If the rest of the system is out of balance as a result, the naturalness of the whole can be lost and there you are back to system without this drawing you in / emotion bit.

As you rightly say, there are other important factors that influence this mental engagement piece. My view is that some of the great vintage driver materials have their influence here - specifically a combination of large diameter and light doped paper cones, strong alnico motors, field coils, phenolic diaphragms, timber, permendur, transformer / cap choice for crossover. Also absence of dsp and overall system voicing - more of a gentle slope downwards rather than a deliberately exasperated treble. Possibly also the reduced ability of the driver to reproduce greater than 14-16khz too.

What will be interesting is how you find your Klangfilm system on these facets as I expect it will be very good indeed. Question is whether you can still use silver cabling in such a system or whether it kills all the magic.