What's the best subwoofer? REL? JL AUDIO? Velodyne? Wilson? Something else?

I do not think I will need subwoofers.
Not with the Pendragons from what is out there on them; you will be extremely fortunate to have these. When will they complete manufacture and what is their ETA to you?

That will be one stunning setup when you get done with it!
 

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My listening room will not be ready to take them for a year.
 
Marty: Good Morning!!! 1000W of power for one 15" driver is not enough? Seriously??? For 2 channel I would say it is more than enough; my last speakers had 500W amps (2) driving one each 12" bass and sub-bass driver and the results were paste you in-seat bass (you heard it here as they say!) and the bass and sub-bass had to be EQ'ed down to defeat a room mode.
Mark: we will have to continue this discussion after you come up to Ricks house for a GtG hopefully in March.
 
Mark: we will have to continue this discussion after you come up to Ricks house for a GtG hopefully in March.
I'll be there! Looking forward to it as you know!
 
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What surprises me the most in this thread (unless I missed it) is the lack of focus on not just the quantity (Geddes proposal) but the quality of subs. I've owned quite a few - Dahlquist, Pioneer, Martin Logan, M&K, Rel and of all, the newest JL Audio F112 quality is far above all the rest. The driver control, impact, musicality, flexibility and of course integration makes it an excellent choice. I would put the JL Audio line of home audio subs bass quality higher than many main speaker's bass. So while multiple subs can in some situations help smooth out room modes multiple lower cost "good" subs do not = the quality of a higher end Rel or JL Audio IMO.
 
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I use a Velodyne 18 and a custom dual 16 subwoofer and the largest difference in overall bass performance was not amplifier power or the room,it was a super low noise floor by using a grounding scheme. One thinks that grounding can not make a profound difference,but is the key to amazing bass and overall sound quality.
Good point Roger. I hope more work is done in this area. I have recently tried some "virtual ground" products from Entreq, Synergistic, and Acoustic Revive.
CAD in England also makes two versions of a virtual ground box.
What I noticed with some of these, is cleaner bass response. I was not expecting the lower frequencies to be affected.
Better grounding on the AC wiring has also helped bass quality along with the rest of the spectrum.
 

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Good point Roger. I hope more work is done in this area. I have recently tried some "virtual ground" products from Entreq, Synergistic, and Acoustic Revive.
CAD in England also makes two versions of a virtual ground box.
What I noticed with some of these, is cleaner bass response. I was not expecting the lower frequencies to be affected.
Better grounding on the AC wiring has also helped bass quality along with the rest of the spectrum.
You and RogerD have both talked about grounding for subs...which is a good reminder for me. Would be interesting to experiment with this. Thanks for that!
 

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Good point Roger. I hope more work is done in this area. I have recently tried some "virtual ground" products from Entreq, Synergistic, and Acoustic Revive.
CAD in England also makes two versions of a virtual ground box.
What I noticed with some of these, is cleaner bass response. I was not expecting the lower frequencies to be affected.
Better grounding on the AC wiring has also helped bass quality along with the rest of the spectrum.
You and RogerD have both talked about grounding for subs...which is a good reminder for me. Would be interesting to experiment with this. Thanks for that!
I have done nothing else but my "extreme grounding" and the difference in the overall quality of bass is jaw dropping. Even with my satellite speakers with DynAudio smallish woofers it has blown my away..the bass is articulate and explosive.
 

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Thanks, RogerD...will make some inquiries about this locally. Have some early ideas.
 

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How about eight (8) Seaton F18's, and about 8000 watts to drive them -- all strategically placed. That is where I will end up in about a week or so. Spectacular for music. Just plain stupid for home theater. I got tired of futzing around and decided to just jump to the end of the line. I really like the looks of them but all are hidden.

A photo of Mark with 2 stacks of 3 of the F18's:

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the need...

How about eight (8) Seaton F18's, and about 8000 watts to drive them -- all strategically placed. That is where I will end up in about a week or so. Spectacular for music. Just plain stupid for home theater. I got tired of futzing around and decided to just jump to the end of the line. I really like the looks of them but all are hidden.

A photo of Mark with 2 stacks of 3 of the F18's:

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the need for this arises but rarely, as I play and produce and mostly listen music for violin.
 
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How about eight (8) Seaton F18's, and about 8000 watts to drive them -- all strategically placed. That is where I will end up in about a week or so. Spectacular for music. Just plain stupid for home theater. I got tired of futzing around and decided to just jump to the end of the line. I really like the looks of them but all are hidden.

A photo of Mark with 2 stacks of 3 of the F18's:

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Go for it :cool:

Are you avoiding stacking for reasons of domestic harmony?
 
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They do indeed look rather tasty