What's the best subwoofer? REL? JL AUDIO? Velodyne? Wilson? Something else?

SCAudiophile

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I do not think I will need subwoofers.
Not with the Pendragons from what is out there on them; you will be extremely fortunate to have these. When will they complete manufacture and what is their ETA to you?

That will be one stunning setup when you get done with it!
 

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My listening room will not be ready to take them for a year.
 

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Marty: Good Morning!!! 1000W of power for one 15" driver is not enough? Seriously??? For 2 channel I would say it is more than enough; my last speakers had 500W amps (2) driving one each 12" bass and sub-bass driver and the results were paste you in-seat bass (you heard it here as they say!) and the bass and sub-bass had to be EQ'ed down to defeat a room mode.
Mark: we will have to continue this discussion after you come up to Ricks house for a GtG hopefully in March.
 

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Mark: we will have to continue this discussion after you come up to Ricks house for a GtG hopefully in March.
I'll be there! Looking forward to it as you know!
 

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What surprises me the most in this thread (unless I missed it) is the lack of focus on not just the quantity (Geddes proposal) but the quality of subs. I've owned quite a few - Dahlquist, Pioneer, Martin Logan, M&K, Rel and of all, the newest JL Audio F112 quality is far above all the rest. The driver control, impact, musicality, flexibility and of course integration makes it an excellent choice. I would put the JL Audio line of home audio subs bass quality higher than many main speaker's bass. So while multiple subs can in some situations help smooth out room modes multiple lower cost "good" subs do not = the quality of a higher end Rel or JL Audio IMO.
 
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I use a Velodyne 18 and a custom dual 16 subwoofer and the largest difference in overall bass performance was not amplifier power or the room,it was a super low noise floor by using a grounding scheme. One thinks that grounding can not make a profound difference,but is the key to amazing bass and overall sound quality.
Good point Roger. I hope more work is done in this area. I have recently tried some "virtual ground" products from Entreq, Synergistic, and Acoustic Revive.
CAD in England also makes two versions of a virtual ground box.
What I noticed with some of these, is cleaner bass response. I was not expecting the lower frequencies to be affected.
Better grounding on the AC wiring has also helped bass quality along with the rest of the spectrum.
 

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Good point Roger. I hope more work is done in this area. I have recently tried some "virtual ground" products from Entreq, Synergistic, and Acoustic Revive.
CAD in England also makes two versions of a virtual ground box.
What I noticed with some of these, is cleaner bass response. I was not expecting the lower frequencies to be affected.
Better grounding on the AC wiring has also helped bass quality along with the rest of the spectrum.
You and RogerD have both talked about grounding for subs...which is a good reminder for me. Would be interesting to experiment with this. Thanks for that!
 

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Good point Roger. I hope more work is done in this area. I have recently tried some "virtual ground" products from Entreq, Synergistic, and Acoustic Revive.
CAD in England also makes two versions of a virtual ground box.
What I noticed with some of these, is cleaner bass response. I was not expecting the lower frequencies to be affected.
Better grounding on the AC wiring has also helped bass quality along with the rest of the spectrum.
You and RogerD have both talked about grounding for subs...which is a good reminder for me. Would be interesting to experiment with this. Thanks for that!
I have done nothing else but my "extreme grounding" and the difference in the overall quality of bass is jaw dropping. Even with my satellite speakers with DynAudio smallish woofers it has blown my away..the bass is articulate and explosive.
 

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LL21

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Thanks, RogerD...will make some inquiries about this locally. Have some early ideas.
 

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How about eight (8) Seaton F18's, and about 8000 watts to drive them -- all strategically placed. That is where I will end up in about a week or so. Spectacular for music. Just plain stupid for home theater. I got tired of futzing around and decided to just jump to the end of the line. I really like the looks of them but all are hidden.

A photo of Mark with 2 stacks of 3 of the F18's:

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the need...

How about eight (8) Seaton F18's, and about 8000 watts to drive them -- all strategically placed. That is where I will end up in about a week or so. Spectacular for music. Just plain stupid for home theater. I got tired of futzing around and decided to just jump to the end of the line. I really like the looks of them but all are hidden.

A photo of Mark with 2 stacks of 3 of the F18's:

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the need for this arises but rarely, as I play and produce and mostly listen music for violin.
 
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How about eight (8) Seaton F18's, and about 8000 watts to drive them -- all strategically placed. That is where I will end up in about a week or so. Spectacular for music. Just plain stupid for home theater. I got tired of futzing around and decided to just jump to the end of the line. I really like the looks of them but all are hidden.

A photo of Mark with 2 stacks of 3 of the F18's:

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Go for it :cool:

Are you avoiding stacking for reasons of domestic harmony?
 
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They do indeed look rather tasty
 

16hz lover

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31.5inch fostex driver
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want even more firepower 50inch
MORE than happy with my pair Rel Gibralters

2.3 mm of xmax, I could bottom that thing with one bass drum hit. There are 5 inch midrange drivers with twice that travel.
 

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Any Funk owners here ?
 

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I'll recommend 'something else';

- Legacy Audio Foundation subs (I have 2 since late 2018 and they are the most musical subs and earth-shattering
I've ever owned (including some big RELs back in the day including dual B1 Britannia. If you add Wavelet and room
correction over and above it's a plus but I've tested this sub just using its fine-grained blending controls and I've heard
16Hz and below solidly,....2 of these can move walls for sure.

- Legacy Goliath,...these are monsters are will take you as low as you could ever need / want to go. With the Xilica DSP included
for active crossover, parametricEQ, etc....they are extremely impressive...

The other brands on the lists (REL, JL, etc...) also have some great contenders on the list...
 

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I was very impressive from Goebel petite baforce
I had Krell Master Reference and Soundlab mono B1,but this is much better.
Was connected to Aeon Reference speaker,cut at 35 hz,and bass was perfect,very deep and strong,natural,seems perfect.
There is the version passive and the version active,with 8 class D amp,one for each driver.
Really very impressive
 

LL21

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I was very impressive from Goebel petite baforce
I had Krell Master Reference and Soundlab mono B1,but this is much better.
Was connected to Aeon Reference speaker,cut at 35 hz,and bass was perfect,very deep and strong,natural,seems perfect.
There is the version passive and the version active,with 8 class D amp,one for each driver.
Really very impressive
Fantastic, Gian60...i have been very curious to know more about those. I believe 1 Petite Baforce is Eur72,500? Even by Wilson, Magico subwoofer standards, Eur72,500 for a massive sub is a LOT...pretty much double the price of the Wilson & Magico reference subwoofers.

https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2017...-high-end-from-gobel-ch-precision-and-kronos/
 

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