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Swen,

When you speak of the increased direct sound, does that have any impact on the way one should interpret sensitivity when comparing with the sensitivity measurement of a traditional cone/box speaker? I refer to tall linear arrays/panels where it is recommended that one increase that figure when comparing to traditional cone/box speakers because of the way speakers (like the Genesis 1) disperse that sound into the room differently than traditional cone/box speakers. I think it is something like the practical effect of this recommendation is to add an extra 3db to the standard sensitivity rating of a Genesis 1 vs a cone box speaker if one is to compare how loud each will sound at the same level of amplification (roughly of course),

Does this apply to large horns as well to this direct sound, or is this entirely different? Is it simply about the interaction with indirect/room reflections?
 
Swen,

When you speak of the increased direct sound, does that have any impact on the way one should interpret sensitivity when comparing with the sensitivity measurement of a traditional cone/box speaker? I refer to tall linear arrays/panels where it is recommended that one increase that figure when comparing to traditional cone/box speakers because of the way speakers (like the Genesis 1) disperse that sound into the room differently than traditional cone/box speakers. I think it is something like the practical effect of this recommendation is to add an extra 3db to the standard sensitivity rating of a Genesis 1 vs a cone box speaker if one is to compare how loud each will sound at the same level of amplification (roughly of course),

Does this apply to large horns as well to this direct sound, or is this entirely different? Is it simply about the interaction with indirect/room reflections?
Dear LL21


That's a question that needs a bit more words to answer it properly.


The increased direct sound share from certain loudspeakers, such as horns or large linear arrays, does indeed influence how we interpret sensitivity measurements compared to conventional cone/box loudspeakers. Sensitivity, typically measured in dB SPL (sound pressure level) at 1 watt input at 1 meter, reflects how efficiently a loudspeaker converts electrical power into acoustic output. However, this metric assumes a standardized, often anechoic environment, which doesn’t fully capture real-world room interactions.

For Speakers like the Genesis 1, which utilize large linear arrays or panels, the recommendation to adjust sensitivity upward (e.g., by +3 dB) when comparing to cone/box loudspeakers stems from their unique sound dispersion. These systems often produce a more focused, planar wavefront with a higher direct sound component and reduced off-axis energy, leading to less contribution from room reflections. In a typical listening environment, this results in a perceived louder and clearer sound at the listening position compared to a cone/box loudspeaker with the same nominal sensitivity. The +3 dB adjustment accounts for this perceptual difference, as the direct sound dominates over diffuse room sound, making the system appear more efficient in practice.

Application to Large Horns

This concept applies to large horns as well, but with some distinctions due to their design. Horns, particularly exponential horns, are highly directional, significantly increasing the direct sound share—often by 10–20 dB compared to cone/box loudspeakers (Tesmer, n.d.). This focused directivity minimizes room reflections, delivering more sound energy directly to the listener. As a result, horns can sound louder and clearer at the listening position than their nominal sensitivity might suggest when compared to conventional loudspeakers in a room. For example, a horn with a sensitivity of 95 dB/1W/1m might subjectively match or exceed a cone/box loudspeaker rated at 98 dB/1W/1m in a real room, due to the reduced influence of diffuse reflections.

However, unlike large linear arrays, which produce a broad, planar wavefront, horns create a more tightly controlled, conical dispersion pattern, especially in the mid- and high-frequency ranges. This makes their sensitivity interpretation even more context-dependent. In a large room or at greater distances, the horn’s directivity maintains higher sound pressure levels, potentially requiring less power for the same perceived loudness. Thus, while the +3 dB adjustment for arrays like the Genesis 1 is a practical guideline, horns may warrant an even larger adjustment (e.g., +3–6 dB) when comparing perceived loudness to cone/box systems, depending on the room and frequency range.

Interaction with Room Reflections

The key difference lies in how these systems interact with indirect/room reflections. Conventional cone/box loudspeakers have wider dispersion, especially at lower frequencies, leading to a higher proportion of room sound (reflections from walls, ceilings, etc.). In typical rooms, direct sound can drop to as low as 2% in the bass range, with reflections dominating the sound field. This diffuse sound field requires the listener’s brain to work harder to separate direct and reflected sound, increasing listening effort and potentially causing fatigue, as discussed in psychoacoustic research

In contrast, both large linear arrays and horns reduce the contribution of room reflections due to their directional designs. For arrays like the Genesis 1, the planar wavefront minimizes side-wall reflections, enhancing clarity and perceived loudness. Horns take this further by tightly controlling dispersion, particularly in the mid- and high-frequency ranges, where direct sound can reach 20–30% or more at the listening position. This high direct sound share not only boosts perceived efficiency but also reduces cognitive load, as the brain can more easily reconstruct a clear soundstage, leading to less listening fatigue over long sessions.


I hope this answers your question.
I’d like to emphasize that I’m sharing my knowledge and do not claim to hold the ultimate truth. Therefore, I’m happy to discuss this further, provided the discussion is based on facts, specifically technical sources, and not on subjective perceptions.

Best Regards S.
 
Dear LL21


That's a question that needs a bit more words to answer it properly.


The increased direct sound share from certain loudspeakers, such as horns or large linear arrays, does indeed influence how we interpret sensitivity measurements compared to conventional cone/box loudspeakers. Sensitivity, typically measured in dB SPL (sound pressure level) at 1 watt input at 1 meter, reflects how efficiently a loudspeaker converts electrical power into acoustic output. However, this metric assumes a standardized, often anechoic environment, which doesn’t fully capture real-world room interactions.

For Speakers like the Genesis 1, which utilize large linear arrays or panels, the recommendation to adjust sensitivity upward (e.g., by +3 dB) when comparing to cone/box loudspeakers stems from their unique sound dispersion. These systems often produce a more focused, planar wavefront with a higher direct sound component and reduced off-axis energy, leading to less contribution from room reflections. In a typical listening environment, this results in a perceived louder and clearer sound at the listening position compared to a cone/box loudspeaker with the same nominal sensitivity. The +3 dB adjustment accounts for this perceptual difference, as the direct sound dominates over diffuse room sound, making the system appear more efficient in practice.

Application to Large Horns

This concept applies to large horns as well, but with some distinctions due to their design. Horns, particularly exponential horns, are highly directional, significantly increasing the direct sound share—often by 10–20 dB compared to cone/box loudspeakers (Tesmer, n.d.). This focused directivity minimizes room reflections, delivering more sound energy directly to the listener. As a result, horns can sound louder and clearer at the listening position than their nominal sensitivity might suggest when compared to conventional loudspeakers in a room. For example, a horn with a sensitivity of 95 dB/1W/1m might subjectively match or exceed a cone/box loudspeaker rated at 98 dB/1W/1m in a real room, due to the reduced influence of diffuse reflections.

However, unlike large linear arrays, which produce a broad, planar wavefront, horns create a more tightly controlled, conical dispersion pattern, especially in the mid- and high-frequency ranges. This makes their sensitivity interpretation even more context-dependent. In a large room or at greater distances, the horn’s directivity maintains higher sound pressure levels, potentially requiring less power for the same perceived loudness. Thus, while the +3 dB adjustment for arrays like the Genesis 1 is a practical guideline, horns may warrant an even larger adjustment (e.g., +3–6 dB) when comparing perceived loudness to cone/box systems, depending on the room and frequency range.

Interaction with Room Reflections

The key difference lies in how these systems interact with indirect/room reflections. Conventional cone/box loudspeakers have wider dispersion, especially at lower frequencies, leading to a higher proportion of room sound (reflections from walls, ceilings, etc.). In typical rooms, direct sound can drop to as low as 2% in the bass range, with reflections dominating the sound field. This diffuse sound field requires the listener’s brain to work harder to separate direct and reflected sound, increasing listening effort and potentially causing fatigue, as discussed in psychoacoustic research

In contrast, both large linear arrays and horns reduce the contribution of room reflections due to their directional designs. For arrays like the Genesis 1, the planar wavefront minimizes side-wall reflections, enhancing clarity and perceived loudness. Horns take this further by tightly controlling dispersion, particularly in the mid- and high-frequency ranges, where direct sound can reach 20–30% or more at the listening position. This high direct sound share not only boosts perceived efficiency but also reduces cognitive load, as the brain can more easily reconstruct a clear soundstage, leading to less listening fatigue over long sessions.


I hope this answers your question.
I’d like to emphasize that I’m sharing my knowledge and do not claim to hold the ultimate truth. Therefore, I’m happy to discuss this further, provided the discussion is based on facts, specifically technical sources, and not on subjective perceptions.

Best Regards S.
Thank you! This is truly fascinating to learn for someone like me who is both non-technical but also seeking to learn more about the how and why to help inform more subjection decisions around selection of speakers and even in what general direction might I go to seek speakers (ie, cone, panel, horn).
 
, its marked superiority on jazz and on classical vanished on girl with guitar vocals.
Yaaaaaa Yaaaaa if you think horns don’t do vocals you should put your hands over your ears and bow your head yaaaaaa yaaaaaaa. But please don’t spread this please don’t no no

 
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While I am not an Avantgarde specialist, this is likely to occur around 160–200 Hz,
Actually, the AG Trio is horn-loaded all the way down to around 20 Hz with its dedicated SpaceHorn modules, so directivity and controlled dispersion start much lower than 160–200 Hz. This is one of the key distinctions compared to the Duo or other hybrid horn systems, where horn loading only takes over from the upper bass/midbass region.
To make it even simpler: A headphone has nearly 100% direct sound, and even the least skilled person can put it on correctly.
When your passion for direct sound and horns is unlimited, but your living space has its limits!

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As for power: in my own system, peaks rarely exceed 0.3 watts. That’s why I find some of the statements about “necessary power reserves” a bit overstated.
As for sensitivity, I find a 112dB speaker completely out of control and unbalanced. There is no way to keep it in check—just like it’s impossible to keep tube electronics entirely free of hum and noise.

People would have to be naïve to think high-sensitivity speakers don’t come with their own problems, such as driver integration, tonal balance, harshness, and so on.

A properly implemented horn speaker sound great but it’s very hard to achieve as well as noise and hum free high quality tube electronics.
 
Actually, the AG Trio is horn-loaded all the way down to around 20 Hz with its dedicated SpaceHorn modules, so directivity and controlled dispersion start much lower than 160–200 Hz. This is one of the key distinctions compared to the Duo or other hybrid horn systems, where horn loading only takes over from the upper bass/midbass region.
Thank you very much for your explanation. On this topic, I’ll politely hold back then.

Best Regards S.
 
As for sensitivity, I find a 112dB speaker completely out of control and unbalanced. There is no way to keep it in check—just like it’s impossible to keep tube electronics entirely free of hum and noise.

People would have to be naïve to think high-sensitivity speakers don’t come with their own problems, such as driver integration, tonal balance, harshness, and so on.

A properly implemented horn speaker sound great but it’s very hard to achieve as well as noise and hum free high quality tube electronics.
Would you like to respond to these statements from me?

If so, I would kindly ask you to back up your statement, “As for sensitivity, I find a 112dB speaker completely out of control and unbalanced. There is no way to keep it in check,” with an explanation.

Otherwise, it would be like saying, “A car with 1,000 horsepower cannot be controlled,” without explaining why.

Best regards,
S
 
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As for sensitivity, I find a 112dB speaker completely out of control and unbalanced. There is no way to keep it in check—just like it’s impossible to keep tube electronics entirely free of hum and noise.

People would have to be naïve to think high-sensitivity speakers don’t come with their own problems, such as driver integration, tonal balance, harshness, and so on.

A properly implemented horn speaker sound great but it’s very hard to achieve as well as noise and hum free high quality tube electronics.

We do not see a lot of great horn based systems out there. This is my impression from reading and people’s many criticisms, not so much my own limited experience. I’ve only heard about 15 horn systems in my life at shows and at people’s houses. Of those 15, I only really liked three. They must be incredibly difficult to design properly.

Having written that, the best horn system I’ve heard is something like 114 DB efficient driven by completely silent tube electronics. When the systems are good though, they can be really excellent and convincing sounding. I won’t say best because it’s subjective, but my favorite systems now seem to be SET horn based.
 
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Would you like to respond to these statements from me?

If so, I would kindly ask you to back up your statement, “As for sensitivity, I find a 112dB speaker completely out of control and unbalanced. There is no way to keep it in check,” with an explanation.

Otherwise, it would be like saying, “A car with 1,000 horsepower cannot be controlled,” without explaining why.

Best regards,
S
It’s self-explanatory, but I can expand on it after you thoroughly explain your statements about noise and hum being inherent to tube electronics.

If you’re going to claim that your 112dB horn speaker has no issues with driver integration, harshness, or tonal imbalance, then the tube electronics I’m talking abaut don’t have hum and noise issues. And they’re not diy units.
 
It’s self-explanatory, but I can expand on it after you thoroughly explain your statements about noise and hum being inherent to tube electronics.

If you’re going to claim that your 112dB horn speaker has no issues with driver integration, harshness, or tonal imbalance, then the tube electronics I’m talking abaut don’t have hum and noise issues. And they’re not diy units.
I still don’t quite understand. What exactly is supposed to be uncontrollable?


1. Was your statement referring to the mentioned issue of noise and hum? If so, I wouldn’t disagree. Are you trying to express that the 112dB efficiency is the reason why I had problems with tube amps?
That’s why I already said, “You always have to die one death.”


2. Or did you mean that a horn speaker with 112dB is uncontrollable? If so, I would clearly disagree.


3. What do you mean by driver integration, harshness, or tonal imbalance?
I mean, I understand what these words mean, but not how they relate to the context of my statements. In general, a small note: I make an effort to write clearly, cite sources, and argue properly. It would be nice if you could do the same instead of just writing sentence fragments. A few more words wouldn’t hurt.

Best regards,
S.
 
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We do not see a lot of great horn based systems out there. This is my impression from reading and people’s many criticisms, not so much my own limited experience. I’ve only heard about 15 horn systems in my life at shows and at people’s houses. Of those 15, I only really liked three. They must be incredibly difficult to design properly.

Having written that, the best horn system I’ve heard is something like 114 DB efficient driven by completely silent tube electronics. When the systems are good though, they can be really excellent and convincing sounding. I won’t say best because it’s subjective, but my favorite systems now seem to be SET horn based.
Regarding commercial offerings, I completely agree with you. The reasons for this can certainly be elaborated on later. However, if we also consider private installations, there are already 4-5 systems in Japan alone that represent the pinnacle. Additionally, at least 3 in China, and easily 5 in Korea. A few more in Thailand. In Germany, I know of 4, and there are also a few good ones in the USA.

The reason why horns in the DIY sector have a certain advantage over commercial systems is pretty self-explanatory.

I’m fairly certain that Kedar could contribute something meaningful to this ;)


Best regards,
S
 
Regarding commercial offerings, I completely agree with you. The reasons for this can certainly be elaborated on later. However, if we also consider private installations, there are already 4-5 systems in Japan alone that represent the pinnacle. Additionally, at least 3 in China, and easily 5 in Korea. A few more in Thailand. In Germany, I know of 4, and there are also a few good ones in the USA.

The reason why horns in the DIY sector have a certain advantage over commercial systems is pretty self-explanatory.

I’m fairly certain that Kedar could contribute something meaningful to this ;)


Best regards,
S

Swen, what do these various systems all have in common and how would you describe their presentation, if you can generalize?
 
Swen, what do these various systems all have in common and how would you describe their presentation, if you can generalize?
That’s relatively easy to say. They were built with absolutely no compromises. Add to that a lot of experience that the owners acquired beforehand and the willingness to take their time.
Attached one of the most inspiring ones, with Tim de Paravicini (RiP)infront of it. IMG_9500.jpeg

Best regards,
S
 
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That’s relatively easy to say. They were built with absolutely no compromises. Add to that a lot of experience that the owners acquired beforehand and the willingness to take their time.
Attached one of the most inspiring ones, with Tim de Paravicini (RiP)infront ob it. View attachment 157968

Best regards,
S

Those are two 16as
 
I would kindly ask you to back up your statement, “As for sensitivity, I find a 112dB speaker completely out of control and unbalanced. There is no way to keep it in check,” with an explanation.

Otherwise, it would be like saying, “A car with 1,000 horsepower cannot be controlled,” without explaining why.

Best regards,
S

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It’s self-explanatory, but I can expand on it after you thoroughly explain your statements about noise and hum being inherent to tube electronics.

If you’re going to claim that your 112dB horn speaker has no issues with driver integration, harshness, or tonal imbalance, then the tube electronics I’m talking abaut don’t have hum and noise issues. And they’re not diy units.

What is self-explanatory? If you make an outlandish statement, or call it an extraordinary claim if you will, you need to back it up.
 
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... horns can sound louder and clearer at the listening position than their nominal sensitivity might suggest when compared to conventional loudspeakers in a room. For example, a horn with a sensitivity of 95 dB/1W/1m might subjectively match or exceed a cone/box loudspeaker rated at 98 dB/1W/1m in a real room, due to the reduced influence of diffuse reflections.

Well, imo it depends on how those sensitivity ratings are derived.

Depending on how much the manufacturer "padded" their sensitivity claim in anticipation of the reflection field's contribution, and depending on how much actual contribution there is in a given room, the situation you describe COULD exist.

But... if the on-axis anechoic SPLs are the same, and the cone/box speaker has a considerably wider radiation pattern and therefore considerably more contribution from the in-room reflection field, it is not obvious to me how the increased contribution from reflections would not result in the cone/box speaker measuring, and sounding, louder at the listening position.

If I have misunderstood you, please correct my misunderstanding.

Perhaps you are referring to dynamic contrast? To the extent that increased in-room reflections behave as a "noise floor", they would tend to reduce the effective dynamic contrast. Ime spectrally-correct, relatively late-onset in-room reflection are less likely to behave as "noise", as the ear/brain system will easily correctly classify them as reflections (the same as the reflection field in a good seat in a good recital hall or concert hall; of course, the specifics matter.)

This diffuse sound field requires the listener’s brain to work harder to separate direct and reflected sound, increasing listening effort and potentially causing fatigue, as discussed in psychoacoustic research.

Whether or not the in-room reflections are beneficial has to do with their strength, arrival time, spectral accuracy, arrival directions, diffusiveness, and decay characteristics. Imo reflections are neither categorically bad nor categorically good. Ime the situation you describe is very often, but not always, the case... it depends on the specifics.
 
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Well, imo it depends on how those sensitivity ratings are derived.

Depending on how much the manufacturer "padded" their sensitivity claim in anticipation of the reflection field's contribution, and depending on how much actual contribution there is in a given room, the situation you describe COULD exist.

But... if the on-axis anechoic SPLs are the same, and the cone/box speaker has a considerably wider radiation pattern and therefore considerably more contribution from the in-room reflection field, it is not obvious to me how the increased contribution from reflections would not result in the cone/box speaker measuring, and sounding, louder at the listening position.

If I have misunderstood you, please correct my misunderstanding.

Perhaps you are referring to dynamic contrast? To the extent that increased in-room reflections behave as a "noise floor", they would tend to reduce the effective dynamic contrast. Ime spectrally-correct, relatively late-onset in-room reflection are less likely to behave as "noise", as the ear/brain system will easily correctly classify them as reflections (the same as the reflection field in a good seat in a good recital hall or concert hall; of course, the specifics matter.)



Whether or not the in-room reflections are beneficial has to do with their strength, arrival time, spectral accuracy, arrival directions, diffusiveness, and decay characteristics. Imo reflections are neither categorically bad nor categorically good. Ime the situation you describe is very often, but not always, the case... it depends on the specifics.
Dear Duke,
I share your view that the exact measurement method for sensitivity specifications is crucial, and you haven’t misunderstood me. Let me address this step by step and elaborate, based on standardized acoustic principles.

First, regarding sensitivity measurement: Nominal values (e.g., 95 dB/1W/1m) are typically determined axially (i.e., in the main radiation direction) at a distance of 1 meter, often with an input voltage of 2.83 V (corresponding to 1 W at 8 ohms). The level is measured as an average over a frequency range (e.g., 250 Hz to 4 kHz), assuming hemispherical radiation (solid angle 2π sr, directivity index Q=2). Manufacturers ( Of course, assuming the manufacturer actually conducts these measurements and is willing to publish them).rarely inflate these values artificially, as they are standardized according to norms like IEC 60268-5 – the contribution of room reflections is explicitly excluded to ensure comparable conditions. In practice, this leads to deviations in a real room, as reflections influence the overall level at the listening position.

This is precisely where the point about reflections comes into play, which you so aptly addressed: With the same axial level (e.g., 95 dB for the horn vs. 98 dB for the cone loudspeaker), a conventional cone/box loudspeaker indeed has a broader radiation pattern (often nearly omnidirectional in the midrange), leading to stronger diffuse reflections. These reflections add to the direct sound and increase the measured level at the listening position – theoretically by up to 6 dB in a typical room (depending on distance and room geometry), as sound pressure in rooms decays less rapidly than in free-field conditions. However, this “additional level” often doesn’t translate into a pure loudness increase but rather as a diffuse “veil” that reduces clarity: Early reflections (under 50 ms) can cause phase shifts, while later ones blur transient contrast.

With horn loudspeakers, it’s different: Their directivity (narrower radiation angle, often 60–90° horizontally) focuses the sound more toward the listening position and excites the room less – fewer diffuse reflections mean less “background noise.” As a result, the pure direct sound level achieves a subjectively higher presence and clarity, making the horn appear louder and more detailed despite its lower nominal sensitivity. In a real listening room, this can even outperform a cone loudspeaker with a 3 dB higher rating, as the listener contends less with room reverberation.

And yes, you hit the nail on the head with dynamic contrast! Increased reflections often behave like masking noise, obscuring quiet passages and subjectively reducing the overall dynamic range (typically 60–120 dB in music) – similar to a concert hall, where controlled, spectrally correct reflections (e.g., from the ceiling) preserve contrast, but diffuse wall reflections diminish it. Horns minimize these uncontrolled contributions, making them particularly advantageous in acoustically challenging rooms (e.g., with hard surfaces). Of course, this depends on the specific horn design (e.g., Constant Directivity vs. classic) and room acoustics – a measurement with an SPL meter or REW software would best demonstrate this.

Beat Regards S.
 
Whether or not the in-room reflections are beneficial has to do with their strength, arrival time, spectral accuracy, arrival directions, diffusiveness, and decay characteristics. Imo reflections are neither categorically bad nor categorically good. Ime the situation you describe is very often, but not always, the case... it depends on the specifics.
Your point that “it depends on the specifics” is spot-on.
Room Acoustic.
A highly reflective room (e.g., with bare walls and hard floors) will exacerbate the diffuse reflections from a cone loudspeaker, potentially making a horn’s focused sound more desirable. Conversely, in a heavily damped room, the cone loudspeaker’s broader dispersion might be necessary to avoid a “dead” sound.

Loudspeaker Design:
Not all horns are created equal. A poorly designed horn with uneven directivity or frequency response irregularities can introduce its own issues, such as honkiness or unnatural imaging. Similarly, high-quality cone loudspeakers with controlled dispersion (e.g., using waveguides) can mitigate excessive room excitation.

Listener Preference:
Some listeners prefer the “liveliness” of a room with more reflections, while others prioritize the precision and clarity of a horn’s direct sound. This subjective factor can outweigh objective measurements.

Practical Validation
To quantify these effects, measurements with tools like REW (Room EQ Wizard) or an SPL meter can reveal the balance of direct versus reflected sound in a given setup. For example, an impulse response measurement can show the timing and strength of early reflections, while a frequency response plot can highlight spectral imbalances caused by reflections. Comparing the in-room response of a horn versus a cone loudspeaker in the same room would clearly demonstrate how their differing dispersion patterns interact with the space.


In summary, I fully agree that reflections are context-dependent. Horns often excel in delivering clarity by minimizing unwanted reflections, but in a well-optimized room, the broader dispersion of cone loudspeakers can leverage controlled reflections to create a more immersive soundstage.

It’s all about the interplay of loudspeaker design, room acoustics, and listener goals.

Best Regards S.
 
@Hornsolutions Swen, thanks for your in-depth replies.

Are you familiar with David Griesinger? His focus is on the acoustics and psychoacoustics of concert halls, but imo many of the principles he describes are applicable to home audio. You might find this lecture informative, in particular the sound clips he plays starting around 13 minutes. I found it very informative, and imo it is supportive of the way good horn systems interact with rooms (horn directivity minimizes early reflections, but as long as the room isn't overdamped, there's still a useful amount of relatively late-arriving reflections):

 
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