The US government’s recent UFO investigations

Are the UFOs in these videos man-made or extra-terrestrial?

  • Man-made (e.g., U.S. military)

    Votes: 5 83.3%
  • Extra-terrestrial (e.g., aliens)

    Votes: 1 16.7%

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I lean more toward they would consider our audio way to primitive for there taste. They would beam back data that we spin platters and discs and continuously debate which is better while laughing hilariously st these carbon based life forms. Nanu Nanu
 
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Or is he from the future?
It's people like him who makes us realise that by working all together we're the ones on the top quest of creating a better world in the universe. No need to look far in space, we're in control of our own destiny.

Yeah, that was what I meant by being from another planet; being ahead of its time right here more solid than anyone else on Earth. ...Into a better future.
 

ack

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The Washington Post is also now jumping into this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...s-750pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.ff857da09097

Just before leaving his Defense Department job two months ago, intelligence officer Luis Elizondo quietly arranged to secure the release of three of the most unusual videos in the Pentagon’s secret vaults: raw footage from encounters between fighter jets and “anomalous aerial vehicles” — military jargon for UFOs.
The videos, all taken from cockpit cameras, show pilots struggling to lock their radars on oval-shaped vessels that, on screen, look vaguely like giant flying Tic Tacs. The strange aircraft — no claims are made about their possible origins or makeup — appear to hover briefly before sprinting away at speeds that elicit gasps and shouts from the pilots.
 

DaveC

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Some years ago (2005ish?) letters were written by some very high up ex military that declared we were withholding extraterrestrial technology and are visited regularly by aliens. I would not be surprised if it was true. Also, if aliens have the tech to visit I'd assume they are also much more spiritually advanced and are unlikely to harm us. IMO most humans are barely evolved past the status of being an animal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-urges-world-leaders-reveal-secret-files.html
 
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To me this looks like a diversion, from what's truly happening on this continent. ...California fires, climate change, ICE cars, bitcoin and abuse of power.
The news media we take what counts and the rest we blow it to the four winds of the globe.
Aliens are worst than bitcoins; might as well go to the movies and see Star Wars: The Last Jedi, and pray that the sound system works.
 

Ron Resnick

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Some years ago (2005ish?) letters were written by some very high up ex military that declared we were withholding extraterrestrial technology and are visited regularly by aliens. I would not be surprised if it was true. Also, if aliens have the tech to visit I'd assume they are also much more spiritually advanced and are unlikely to harm us. IMO most humans are barely evolved past the status of being an animal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-urges-world-leaders-reveal-secret-files.html
We know DailyMail from our time in London. It is perhaps the most suspect source of "news" operating today. We are virtually certain that DailyMail flat out makes things up to draw attention and readership and "click-throughs."
 

DaveC

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We know DailyMail from our time in London. It is perhaps the most suspect source of "news" operating today. We are virtually certain that DailyMail flat out makes things up to draw attention and readership and "click-throughs."
You are welcome to use google yourself. ;) That was just the 1st link that showed up, there are many more sources of information on the topic of Paul Hellyer and many others with military credentials who have written on the topic.
 
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I agree Ron; I've already checked most of the sources from this US/UFO news and that's the reason I said it's a diversion in the wrong direction.
It's like reading that Elvis had a new haircut and he's back @ the Sands in Vegas.
 

Ron Resnick

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#30
If the story were a diversion the mainstream media would spike it, not promote it.

I am no UFO enthusiast, and I am almost invariably disbelieving of conspiracy theories, but I have to say I'm finding these videos totally fascinating.

Does anyone have a link to the third video?
 
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If the story were a diversion the mainstream media would spike it, not promote it.
You're probably right; the mainstream news media would no publish it. They have a more serious job to do.

I am no UFO enthusiast, and I am almost invariably disbelieving of conspiracy theories, but I have to say I'm finding these videos totally fascinating.
It is fascinating, like Star Wars, like bitcoin, like TV news channels.
 
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Elon Musk is an Alien!, albeit a legal one.

It has been well known that even experienced observers of the sky (commercial pilots, military pilots, even astronauts) can be fooled. Mistaking something that is relatively close for something far away, when there is no known reference point can lead to great errors in estimating size, distance, speed, acceleration etc. A good example is the moon illusion. When the full moon is near the horizon it looks many times larger than it does when it is high in the sky. If you actually measure the true apparent size, the moon is the same size - about 1/2 degree (the same apparent size as the sun, hence total and annular eclipses). I have known about this for 60 years, and taught countless students about it. Nonetheless, when I see the full moon rising near the horizon, it sure looks a lot bigger to me.

Is this investigation worth 20M+? Definitely yes! Especially since the contract went to Harry Reid's buddy. What are friends for?

Larry
 

Ron Resnick

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#33
A close friend of mine -- I have known Simeon Hein since 7th grade and we were co-captains of our high school debate team for four years -- is an authority (to the extent that word is appropriate to these topics) on unexplained phenomena including crop circles, remote viewing and unidentified aerial objects. Sim just posted this video discussing The New York Times article:


https://youtu.be/FVogEYffNTM


These revelations must be every conspiracy theorist's dream. UFO enthusiasts have always claimed "the government is lying to us about UFOs" and these articles strongly suggest that they were correct!
 

RogerD

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To me this looks like a diversion, from what's truly happening on this continent. ...California fires, climate change, ICE cars, bitcoin and abuse of power.
The news media we take what counts and the rest we blow it to the four winds of the globe.
Aliens are worst than bitcoins; might as well go to the movies and see Star Wars: The Last Jedi, and pray that the sound system works.
Lol There are big things going on here in the U.S. ,diversion...nah
 

ack

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A close friend of mine -- I have known Simeon Hein since 7th grade and we were co-captains of our high school debate team for four years -- is an authority (to the extent that word is appropriate to these topics) on unexplained phenomena including crop circles, remote viewing and unidentified aerial objects. Sim just posted this video discussing The New York Times article:


https://youtu.be/FVogEYffNTM


These revelations must be every conspiracy theorist's dream. UFO enthusiasts have always claimed "the government is lying to us about UFOs" and these articles strongly suggest that they were correct!
I’ve been following the ufo subject since I was a kid and have dismissed every single video and book to date as either fiction or image manipulation, including famous stories like the Hills’ Abduction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill although I have to admit I was originally fascinated as a youngster, when I read about aliens visiting from Zeta Reticuli etc.

The situation here is the very first one that picques my interest as an adult, given the air force videos, though again, this is nothing more than unexplained phenomena but with very intriguing details, at this point.

The really interesting thing for me is that, despite decades of denials, government investigations resume here and there.
 

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And the probability that they are coming in peace is virtually zero
This is ridiculous propaganda that Steven Hawkings like to claim in order to remain relevant and funded.

There are only a few situations that would make them come at us, not in peace.

1. They have a hive mind. This is imperative if they developed their own tech that allows travel to us. The reason is because no one is going to have any probability of developing the technology to get to us, without having the technology for self sustainability on their own planet. But the one exception to having solved their own problems of sustainability is a hive mind.

2. Another more advanced alien gave them technology prematurely. This allowed warring factions to separate and go explore/colonize. This is highly unlikely for the same reason aliens - presuming they may exist - haven't handed over all their superior technology in an act of benevolence, to humans. It would not be pretty if some had it, and others didn't; or if everyone had, including places like North Korea. These sceneries wouldn't be challenging for a superior tech being to calculate out as an outcome. They would have to be devoid of the concept "right" and "wrong" and completely ignore everything that is human to just plop the tech on us. For them to be that way, it goes back to 1. and precludes 3. Also even being devoid, why hand over tech that could threaten them, to a bunch of hooligans?

3. They are not carbon formed, and simply have zero morality. They play and live in an energy realm and don't view us anymore relevant than a rock in space. So it isn't that they are hostile, but we could be in their wake of toying with electrons and quantum things, etc. In that case they may have no real specific reason to come to us so it isn't a huge worry.



I'm welcome to reasoning of why they would come to rape and pillage, but I've never seen anything substantial enough to make sense. SciFi assumes space travel to distant places is technology that is advanced but relatively crude compared to sustainability. I think we as humans at this point realize that is anything but true...
 

DaveC

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These revelations must be every conspiracy theorist's dream. UFO enthusiasts have always claimed "the government is lying to us about UFOs" and these articles strongly suggest that they were correct!
Please don't conflate believing in the possibility of UFOs and alien life for conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy theory, as it's currently known, is a alt-right propaganda tool used to recruit idiots who can't be bothered to look in the mirror when something happens they don't like. It's characterized by blame-shifting, and eventually, when you get deep enough, the blame is given to the groups of people white nationalists don't like. People like Bannon, Alex Jones, etc are their "leaders". This has absolutely nothing to do with the possibility that alien life exists and has visited Earth.
 

Ron Resnick

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Please don't conflate believing in the possibility of UFOs and alien life for conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy theory, as it's currently known, is a alt-right propaganda tool used to recruit idiots who can't be bothered to look in the mirror when something happens they don't like. It's characterized by blame-shifting, and eventually, when you get deep enough, the blame is given to the groups of people white nationalists don't like. People like Bannon, Alex Jones, etc are their "leaders". This has absolutely nothing to do with the possibility that alien life exists and has visited Earth.
The concept of "conspiracy theory" predates the current administration. And your post clearly is a violation of our "no politics" rule.
 

DaveC

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The concept of "conspiracy theory" predates the current administration. And your post clearly is a violation of our "no politics" rule.
Nope, it has nothing to do with politics and it certainly predates the current administration... it's been going on for many years, Alex Jones and Bannon were around promoting "conspiracy theory" and hate for a long time now. What I said is simply fact and is what "conspiracy theory" means. It's a definable phenomenon that means you hold specific beliefs promoted by Jones and others.

People often disparage other's ideas by referring to them as "conspiracy theory", which lumps them in with those specific ideas. The possibility of the existence of aliens has nothing to do with conspiracy theory, although I'm sure you can find tons of examples of it being co-opted for all sorts of crazy purposes. I just don't think that labeling people who think aliens may exist as conspiracy theorists is accurate, and it is also disparaging.
 

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