The US government’s recent UFO investigations

Are the UFOs in these videos man-made or extra-terrestrial?

  • Man-made (e.g., U.S. military)

    Votes: 5 83.3%
  • Extra-terrestrial (e.g., aliens)

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Total voters
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Ron Resnick

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Nope, it has nothing to do with politics and it certainly predates the current administration... it's been going on for many years, Alex Jones and Bannon were around promoting "conspiracy theory" and hate for a long time now. What I said is simply fact and is what "conspiracy theory" means. It's a definable phenomenon that means you hold specific beliefs promoted by Jones and others.

People often disparage other's ideas by referring to them as "conspiracy theory", which lumps them in with those specific ideas. The possibility of the existence of aliens has nothing to do with conspiracy theory, although I'm sure you can find tons of examples of it being co-opted for all sorts of crazy purposes. I just don't think that labeling people who think aliens may exist as conspiracy theorists is accurate, and it is also disparaging.
I do not have the slightest idea what you're talking about, but this is another political post which violates our ban on discussing politics.

Here is the American Heritage definition of "conspiracy theory": "A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act." As you can see your politicized and idiosyncratic definition of "conspiracy theory" is some sort of nonsense.
 

DaveC

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I do not have the slightest idea what you're talking about, but this is another political post which violates our ban on discussing politics.

Here is the American Heritage definition of "conspiracy theory": "A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act."
I get you don't understand... ok, but kind of unbelievable as it's extremely relevant these days. When you say conspiracy theory it actually refers to specific theories, that's what just about everyone will think you're talking about and NOT the dictionary definition you posted. If you're not familiar with these theories I'll leave it up to you to research, if you care to. If you bother to look into it will be eye-opening, one way or another. If not keep in mind when you throw around the term it may have a different meaning than what you intend...

And it's not political, at this point I'm not sure you get the distinction between making political statements and topics that are indirectly related. If I made a political statement I want you to explain it. In any case you're the one who brought up "conspiracy theory", even if you were unaware of it's implications.
 
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So now we have a conspiracy theory about conspiracy theories in an alien thread. Great stuff.
 

cjfrbw

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People generally don't "believe" in UFOs until they actually see one. I think that is entirely appropriate.

I have seen them twice. The first time was when I was a around 16 in San Jose when I was in the back seat when we went to watch "Goldfinger" at the San Jose drive in movie theater. It was a bit dusky with the sunset, and I couldn't see the movie very well in the back seat, so I stuck my head out the window and watched airplanes, which were common because of the nearby airport.

I looked up to see a craft flying generally toward the sunset, and I was astounded to see it do a perfect square wave maneuver in the sky. It looked "normal" until it took an abrupt and rapid perfect right angle turn across a section of sky toward the left, then just as abruptly another perfect and rapid right angle turn to proceed along it's regular trajectory at the regular speed, but in the area of the sky transected by the immediate right hand turns. It did this twice more, going back to it's original trajectory, then away again before proceeding toward the dusk and out of sight.

I was gobsmacked, and it really created a brain worm. I didn't think at the time that it was anything other than a military aircraft, and I searched the paper for weeks for news about it. I also couldn't find anything in the library (no internet in those days). It was very frustrating. I would on occassion try to find out info about craft doing such things, but never found any satisfactory answer.

It wasn't until 13 years later that I was perusing paperbacks, and saw one on UFOs and read through it to find the "rapid right angle" behavior described as typical of UFOs, and not vaguely within the capabilities of any human aircraft. I bought the book and read it and have been interested in the topic ever since.

The second time was in 1990 in the Napa Valley. I was round the geysers area around Calistoga, and saw a smooth grey lozenge flying without any noise and at a jet like speed north along the valley. Any aircraft in these areas put up quite a racket because of all the reflections. The lozenge looked to be about the size of a small cub airplane. Apparently, there have been times when these lozenges have been sighted in Napa Valley by quite a few people.

Haven't seen any since, though I always look at the skies with a sense of anticipation that I will see another one, they are pretty freaky to see, and at least in me they created a deep sense of dread. I have seen comets, meteorites, satellites, flaming space wreckage, but nothing else unexplained.

I have no problem with skeptics or non-believers, because that is a rational state of mind for anybody who has not seen these things to disbelieve them.

James Oberg is probably a very useful skeptic because he is so intimately familiar with all of the launchings and sky phenomena, knows geography, satellites, etc. so he is good at reigning in a lot of hysteria over UFOs. He doesn't gaslight much, and really tries to stick to factual events in the vicinity of sightings.

I, of course, avoided saying anything about my own sightings because I didn't want anybody to think I was crazy, but now that I am retired, I don't care.

The government position seems to be that even if these things breach our air space, if they present no immediate discernible threat, that any other information the government has about them is none of the public's business. Europe and Russia pretty much regard UFOs an issue of fact, not speculation, and the American government's continued secrecy and assault on the people who see these things really doesn't have the justifications that it used to, if it ever did.
 
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I love this stuff. To my way of thinking, the limitations of the laws of physics and the vastness of space dictates that the probability of life outside of our solar system is virtually 1. At the same time the probability of that life finding and being capable of travel to our solar system is virtually 0. If such life possesses the extreme technological capability of traveling the distances required to reach our solar system it seems highly unlikely they would sneak around in fear of us. Their technical superiority would be beyond our comprehension.
I agree completely. To any civilization capable of coming here, we would be so technologically and probably biologically inferior (especially with regard to brain power) that the difference would be similar to comparing humans with chimpanzees as a minimum. I envision two year old Zichron from planet Zicanios performing third semester integral calculus to entertain himself, giggling as he solved the equations. On the other hand, Zefrem Cochrane will invent warp drive in 2063 in Bozeman Montana, so it might not be that far off for us to get into interstellar and intergalactic space.



And the probability that they are coming in peace is virtually zero
If they were to come here it would be for one of two reasons: 1) because they wanted the planet and humans would just be an annoying sentient organism infesting the world that would be a slight impediment to their taking over or 2) they found us, recognized a civilization in danger of destroying itself and wanted to somehow help us. But to cite history, Columbus coming to the New World was bad for the Indians.


Coming back to reality, a UFO is an unidentified flying object. UNIDENTIFIED is the key word. Being unidentified does not mean it came from outer space.
 

Folsom

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If humans were just a pain standing in the way, they wouldnt wait for us to populate even more, including building more.

They know we are not ready for new tech. And they would probably know any bacteria we mutually have that the other does not, could be devasting for either side.

A big question is why are they only seen in rural areas, that are the most common for gov testing?
 
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I agree completely. To any civilization capable of coming here, we would be so technologically and probably biologically inferior (especially with regard to brain power) that the difference would be similar to comparing humans with chimpanzees as a minimum. I envision two year old Zichron from planet Zicanios performing third semester integral calculus to entertain himself, giggling as he solved the equations. On the other hand, Zefrem Cochrane will invent warp drive in 2063 in Bozeman Montana, so it might not be that far off for us to get into interstellar and intergalactic space.

If they were to come here it would be for one of two reasons: 1) because they wanted the planet and humans would just be an annoying sentient organism infesting the world that would be a slight impediment to their taking over or 2) they found us, recognized a civilization in danger of destroying itself and wanted to somehow help us. But to cite history, Columbus coming to the New World was bad for the Indians.

Coming back to reality, a UFO is an unidentified flying object. UNIDENTIFIED is the key word. Being unidentified does not mean it came from outer space.
Gary, I like your down-to-earth living life in the real world. UFOs are indeed man-made, it's just that they keep them secrets, obviously.
And even if aliens would visit us, who the heck in their right mind would want to communicate with us...not a single alien.
And after they exterminate us all, they can do whatever they want with this planet. ...Use it as a golf ball and hit it hard with their sandwedge.
 

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I guess in this country, very few people will actually believe that those plots in movies like Independence Day can actually be 'true'. Well, maybe I am one of the few, courtesy of my chats during the early years of a chat channel in MIRC. I became a regular of a religious channel and one of the ops in the US, when talking about aliens, told me that aliens are very real and are in fact inside the US government. He also told me to visit the site mufon.org which today doesn't exist anymore but I run a search and there is a site called mufon.com - mufon stands for mutual UFO network. I just finished watching 2 seasons of Stranger Things and I have to tell my kids that the scenario that government shelters aliens in some research facility is not strange to me. The NYT article is indeed intriguing.
 

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They know we are not ready for new tech. And they would probably know any bacteria we mutually have that the other does not, could be devasting for either side.
I would expect alien medical technology to be as advanced as their space flight technology. Most likely, they have conquered the disease of death, and can self repair any body injuries. Assuming they haven't moved onto artificial bodies.
 

Folsom

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I would expect alien medical technology to be as advanced as their space flight technology. Most likely, they have conquered the disease of death, and can self repair any body injuries. Assuming they haven't moved onto artificial bodies.
Maybe. Interstellar travel is probably easier. And HOW they may have conquered a lot of medical hurdles could be the use of bacteria that could be bad for our planet. They could also be morally object to immortality.
 

RogerD

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This so called "Black money" which has funded covert operations around the world and secret operations runs into billions of dollars. In 2001 DOD Rumsfeld held a news conference on 9/10/2001 and put a number of 2.3 trillion unaccounted for. Estimates go as high as 6+ trillions. Now the Pentagon is undergoing it's first audit in history. The 22 million figure certainly lowers the public perception.
 

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I know what I saw one warm summer night in Southern California with crystal clear skies, sitting in my buddies room with a bunch of other young adults doing young adult things :cool: ...
I happened to be the only one facing the open window and when I saw it I freaked everyone out as I came flying across the room to see the object move across the sky, but it was to late it was to fast.
I know what I saw, I have never in my life seen something that wasn't there, but there was no reports in the news of anyone seeing anything on that night with completely unobstructed skies.
My biggest issue was that I was never able to put it to scale, it was either something small and very close to the house or something very big off in the distance, but as God as my witness, I am here to tell you I saw it and I have never seen anything like it since and I have never seen anything fly with that kind of speed and accuracy, ever.
This would have been 1978-1980 ish.
So I dont know what to believe.
Also didnt believe much in the Supernatural until a couple recent experiences a couple years age that shook me to the core.
All i know is when I am gone I am going to come back and mess with some folks, but in a good way, maybe!
 

ack

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I'm no expert psychologist and no astro physicist and I work for nobody, but I do have an opinion as a simple observer/listener, and to me he is highly evasive with his eyes and words and moves.

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...ram-purpose-other-life-not-alone-sot-ebof.cnn

Is it kind of coincidental the release of UFO files from the US government just before Santa flies in the North sky to deliver presents to the good kids? ...Just a thought that could be easily expanded... :b
 

Ron Resnick

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I'm no expert psychologist and no astro physicist and I work for nobody, but I do have an opinion as a simple observer/listener, and to me he is highly evasive with his eyes and words and moves.

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He looked and sounded professional and serious to me. It looked to me like the pilot was in maybe a local TV station room or something. In any event he was not in the same room as the interviewer.

I had the opportunity to experience this only once but if someone is not used to the set-up -- and I doubt the pilot has a lot of on-air interview experience -- it is a bit odd to be in a studio by yourself and hear the interviewer on an earphone and then respond by looking into the camera, while watching the interviewer on a monitor.

I personally find a professional, experienced military pilot whose aircraft equipment contemporaneously recorded the event, and whose report is corroborated by other pilots, to be much more authoritative and believable than the report of someone in a cornfield who reports seeing a strange-moving light or whatever.
 

jadis

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He looked and sounded professional and serious to me. It looked to me like the pilot was in maybe a local TV station room or something. In any event he was not in the same room as the interviewer.

I had the opportunity to experience this only once but if someone is not used to the set-up -- and I doubt the pilot has a lot of on-air interview experience -- it is a bit odd to be in a studio by yourself and hear the interviewer on an earphone and then respond by looking into the camera, while watching the interviewer on a monitor.

I personally find a professional, experienced military pilot whose aircraft equipment contemporaneously recorded the event, and whose report is corroborated by other pilots, to be much more authoritative and believable than the report of someone in a cornfield who reports seeing a strange-moving light or whatever.
I believe him.
 

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