The Irishman | Netflix /// Coming up
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November 1st (US theaters) and November 27 (Netflix).
* Short review: https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...iew-martin-scorseses-finest-film-for-30-years
* Short review: https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...iew-martin-scorseses-finest-film-for-30-years
I know that this film had a limited theater release.
It was playing near me, only in one theater...University of Victoria...Cinecenta.
I did not go but almost.
This film is a masterpiece in storytelling. I watched it last night (Netflix).
Scorsese painted a canvas with all the ingredients that only a master filmmaker uses; period time with props and cars and decors and actors and every detail that counts from the camera lens and the viewer eyes. The timing and movements are top notch, the story compelling, the acting first rate, the entertainment factor highly deserving of Oscar awards.
I could write a very long analysis on all film aspects of this latest Scorsese's movie, and I will...uncensored, unedited, "nude in the flesh" (figure of speech).
From the first note and frame you are never let go; we follow the camera as life magic itself.
Every single view is filled with authenticity, every character, cameo, every wall, every lamp, every word, every road.
This is part of filmmaking @ its very best and also part of history on highly influential character people from all venues of society; from unionized organized group (the largest ever in the USA), to political figures, to normal families, to corrupted leaders, to mafia organization, to hitman, to undercover money deals, to a world of crime.
Jimmy Hoffa (Al Pacino), we all remember when he disappeared and the events @ the time.
Was he kidnapped and put in a trunk of a car? To this day, 45 years later they never found his body. The film is based from the book I Heard You Paint Houses, confessions by Frank Sheeran (Robert De Niro) a hitman for the mafia and best friend of Jimmy Hoffa. The book was written by former homicide prosecutor, investigator and defense attorney Charles Brandt.
How did Hoffa truly disappeared? Can we trust Frank? That's up to you to do your research and find out ... The film (book) gave us a closing case. Or is it?
There is so much info in this film, so many plots, facts, and real life drama, sadness, roughness, human failures, emotionally charged and on the wrong side of life with tragedies that happened in a world of money pension control (lowest low lifers of them all), in the same batch as drug dealers, killers, corrupted politicians, corrupted companies, ...all that is bad in the world.
Some might think that 3.5 hours is too long for a film; think no more...it cuts through butter with the sharpest edge. If I was to describe the entire film it would take 3.5 hours to read, to draw, to view. Better yet just to watch it and get into it for yourself, because it was made especially for you, and nobody else, I included...a simple messenger without understanding the full impact it might have on every single person, zero clue.
I could write a long essay about this latest Scorsese's film and what everything related or not, and I will. As we follow Frank in his journey and his encounters with the mob and Hoffa, we really draw in, there's no escape (Martin Scorsese made sure of that), and with guys like De Niro, Pesci, Pacino, and everyone else (all actors and actresses) in the film, we are @ the mercy of it all and its film director.
For me music scores in films play a major role, except in silent films, and here to a lesser extent.
Marty sure uses great old tunes, and Robbie Robertson's music comes in critical moments without even being aware of it, or very very transparently invisible. It's the actors who play the music...that's what I mean mostly. The overwhelming music score is non existent here in the state of real affairs acting. It is not overwhelming, exactly, to me.
* Some silent films are more powerful than the most sound active films.
I would have loved The Irishman filmed in black and white, that's me, that's the way it is.
Part 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 coming up later on ...
This is only a very very short intro to what's coming up next...into the heart of the matter.
It was playing near me, only in one theater...University of Victoria...Cinecenta.
I did not go but almost.
This film is a masterpiece in storytelling. I watched it last night (Netflix).
Scorsese painted a canvas with all the ingredients that only a master filmmaker uses; period time with props and cars and decors and actors and every detail that counts from the camera lens and the viewer eyes. The timing and movements are top notch, the story compelling, the acting first rate, the entertainment factor highly deserving of Oscar awards.
I could write a very long analysis on all film aspects of this latest Scorsese's movie, and I will...uncensored, unedited, "nude in the flesh" (figure of speech).
From the first note and frame you are never let go; we follow the camera as life magic itself.
Every single view is filled with authenticity, every character, cameo, every wall, every lamp, every word, every road.
This is part of filmmaking @ its very best and also part of history on highly influential character people from all venues of society; from unionized organized group (the largest ever in the USA), to political figures, to normal families, to corrupted leaders, to mafia organization, to hitman, to undercover money deals, to a world of crime.
Jimmy Hoffa (Al Pacino), we all remember when he disappeared and the events @ the time.
Was he kidnapped and put in a trunk of a car? To this day, 45 years later they never found his body. The film is based from the book I Heard You Paint Houses, confessions by Frank Sheeran (Robert De Niro) a hitman for the mafia and best friend of Jimmy Hoffa. The book was written by former homicide prosecutor, investigator and defense attorney Charles Brandt.
How did Hoffa truly disappeared? Can we trust Frank? That's up to you to do your research and find out ... The film (book) gave us a closing case. Or is it?
There is so much info in this film, so many plots, facts, and real life drama, sadness, roughness, human failures, emotionally charged and on the wrong side of life with tragedies that happened in a world of money pension control (lowest low lifers of them all), in the same batch as drug dealers, killers, corrupted politicians, corrupted companies, ...all that is bad in the world.
Some might think that 3.5 hours is too long for a film; think no more...it cuts through butter with the sharpest edge. If I was to describe the entire film it would take 3.5 hours to read, to draw, to view. Better yet just to watch it and get into it for yourself, because it was made especially for you, and nobody else, I included...a simple messenger without understanding the full impact it might have on every single person, zero clue.
I could write a long essay about this latest Scorsese's film and what everything related or not, and I will. As we follow Frank in his journey and his encounters with the mob and Hoffa, we really draw in, there's no escape (Martin Scorsese made sure of that), and with guys like De Niro, Pesci, Pacino, and everyone else (all actors and actresses) in the film, we are @ the mercy of it all and its film director.
For me music scores in films play a major role, except in silent films, and here to a lesser extent.
Marty sure uses great old tunes, and Robbie Robertson's music comes in critical moments without even being aware of it, or very very transparently invisible. It's the actors who play the music...that's what I mean mostly. The overwhelming music score is non existent here in the state of real affairs acting. It is not overwhelming, exactly, to me.
* Some silent films are more powerful than the most sound active films.
I would have loved The Irishman filmed in black and white, that's me, that's the way it is.
Part 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 coming up later on ...
This is only a very very short intro to what's coming up next...into the heart of the matter.
Just turn down the Color Saturation full blast and you get bw
And you got that right.
For more on the validity of the story click on the above ? photo.
“The decision was made to paint the house, and that was that.”
? The Irishman vs. the True Story of Frank Sheeran and Jimmy Hoffa
Earlier today I've read several articles to find out what's true and not in the film based on the book. When it comes to the mafia (low-life bunch of losers) it's very tough to find out who's telling the truth (most are a bunch of liars). And Frank Sheeran seems to be one of the most unreliable and least credible drunk on the surface of Pennsylvania.
So we have a great film overall with great actors and aging and de-aging a la master storytelling Scorsese, with a close to $200 million budget (most biggest budget ever for Marty, in big part for the facial transformations of our three main actors through various times), and the recreation of sets with the vintage cars and actors makeup, etc., but if looking for a real true story is your thing it might not be exactly that thing. Does it matter? Today the truth does not matter anymore...everything is about a big paycheck @ the end.
Anyone's the exception to this rule? You tell me when it comes to movies and Hollywood and Netflix and Disney and HBO and Prime Time, etc.
If we are entertained in ways that pleases us what else are we looking for...the heavens for free with trees growing leaves of 1,000 dollar bills?
Martin Scorsese's films are mainly about the mob, redemption and afterlife.
His style is unique and all his movies together made around $1.9 billion...about 30 of them.
Some Marvel flicks made that and more just from one film.
No way that Hollywood was going to support a budget like that for a mob flick based on a flaky book of questionable confessions from a small low-lifer wannabe.
Netflix went all in, why? Because Netflix is not Hollywood, Netflix is larger, reaching a much wider audience. They can recoup their investment and make a profit plus gain more subscribers and compete better with Disney+ and the others. Since Disney+ came up to the steaming scene Netflix didn't budge that much. The future might tell another story...we'll see.
The Irishman is still a great flick, no matter the percentage of truth in it; I'm sure Marty knows that, and I know it too and you know it too.
Did I give it a rating score? /// 9.5 (out of 10 of course). I still wish it was filmed in black and white, and that's that. Sure I can do like Christoph suggested above, ...it is what it is.
? https://www.thedailybeast.com/marti...lie-heres-what-really-happened-to-jimmy-hoffa
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Saw the movie this afternoon and although it ain't a musical. the musical score was so a propos for the time
I thought the story was well told and yes it took over 3 hours to tell. I thought the end was a little draggy but I'm good with that.
Bob's review of the film is spot on
It seems lately that every great movie is made even greater with the use of amazing makeup artists and this film was no exception. It's a big brother of Good Fellas with many of the same cast
The ending of course comes from a fictional novel with much the same as the ending in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
For a cameo cast this film ill win many accolades and surely all 3 of the stars will be nominated. Simply put, they were superb. It was Pesci, DeNiro and Pacino doing what they do best. The performances were riveting
Having said that I can live with it winning Best Movie. I'm sure it will win the Emmy for best dramatic movie but could it win the Oscar. Possibly ......yet I still think Joaquin Phoenix will win the Oscar for best Actor I am still hoping Joker will win Best Movie
It seems to be where we were last year between a Netflix movie and one made for the silver screen
That's why for now at least (as I haven't seen 1917, Midway and Knives Out) the Emmy will go to The Irish Man and the Oscar to Joker with Joaquin getting the Oscar for Best Actor and Renee Zellweger best Actress for Liza
Everyone should read Bob's review to get a flavor of the movie
https://whatsbestforum.com/threads/the-irishman-netflix-coming-up.28672/page-2#post-611203
I thought the story was well told and yes it took over 3 hours to tell. I thought the end was a little draggy but I'm good with that.
Bob's review of the film is spot on
It seems lately that every great movie is made even greater with the use of amazing makeup artists and this film was no exception. It's a big brother of Good Fellas with many of the same cast
The ending of course comes from a fictional novel with much the same as the ending in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
For a cameo cast this film ill win many accolades and surely all 3 of the stars will be nominated. Simply put, they were superb. It was Pesci, DeNiro and Pacino doing what they do best. The performances were riveting
Having said that I can live with it winning Best Movie. I'm sure it will win the Emmy for best dramatic movie but could it win the Oscar. Possibly ......yet I still think Joaquin Phoenix will win the Oscar for best Actor I am still hoping Joker will win Best Movie
It seems to be where we were last year between a Netflix movie and one made for the silver screen
That's why for now at least (as I haven't seen 1917, Midway and Knives Out) the Emmy will go to The Irish Man and the Oscar to Joker with Joaquin getting the Oscar for Best Actor and Renee Zellweger best Actress for Liza
Everyone should read Bob's review to get a flavor of the movie
https://whatsbestforum.com/threads/the-irishman-netflix-coming-up.28672/page-2#post-611203
The 2020 Academy Awards (Oscars) is going to be fun (exciting?) again this year for the same reason as last year...one great film is from Netflix, another one is from DC comic book. ...Like you just mentioned Steve, and I mentioned it earlier @ another site. What he's going to say this time around...Steven Spielberg?
Yes the big one still remains (December 25) ... 1917
To me it doesn't matter who killed Jimmy Hoffa and why Marty decided to use the book...I Heard You Paint Houses. I posted three links to three articles...great read after seeing the film.
When I see a film I like a lot I become passionate and search in depth more.
With a film like The Irishman the real story is my number one first interest.
So I've read many articles; another one ...
• https://slate.com/culture/2019/08/the-irishman-scorsese-netflix-movie-true-story-lies.html
But there's is much more than the storytelling mastery; the production values, the decor sets, interiors, exterior buildings, streets, the cars, the wardrobe, the choice of all the other actors...their authenticity, the convincing, the masterful Robert De Niro with Joe Pesci (I didn't care as much for Al Pacino's portraying of Jimmy Hoffa), the way the camera moves slowly, efficiently, the music tunes of the period, all the small subtleties...visual and auditory, ...everything suits the first rate acting and story to make it a film of great connection. This is filmmaking with a big A (Art of Cinema).
If I'm still alive comes Oscars time (I think I should) from the films I saw this year and the ones that I didn't (but read some about), I might dare to predict few.
I admit, I feel like Steve every year @ that time, perhaps to a lesser extent...or simply different and similarly passionately involved. Music we love, movies we love do that to us ...I think.
We live in some of the most turbulent times of our lives, The Irishman included.
...And Joker too. Even Quentin Tarantino came up with his own twist this year.
Next, Sam Mendes and Roger Deakins...1917
Yes the big one still remains (December 25) ... 1917
To me it doesn't matter who killed Jimmy Hoffa and why Marty decided to use the book...I Heard You Paint Houses. I posted three links to three articles...great read after seeing the film.
When I see a film I like a lot I become passionate and search in depth more.
With a film like The Irishman the real story is my number one first interest.
So I've read many articles; another one ...
• https://slate.com/culture/2019/08/the-irishman-scorsese-netflix-movie-true-story-lies.html
But there's is much more than the storytelling mastery; the production values, the decor sets, interiors, exterior buildings, streets, the cars, the wardrobe, the choice of all the other actors...their authenticity, the convincing, the masterful Robert De Niro with Joe Pesci (I didn't care as much for Al Pacino's portraying of Jimmy Hoffa), the way the camera moves slowly, efficiently, the music tunes of the period, all the small subtleties...visual and auditory, ...everything suits the first rate acting and story to make it a film of great connection. This is filmmaking with a big A (Art of Cinema).
If I'm still alive comes Oscars time (I think I should
) from the films I saw this year and the ones that I didn't (but read some about), I might dare to predict few.I admit, I feel like Steve every year @ that time, perhaps to a lesser extent...or simply different and similarly passionately involved. Music we love, movies we love do that to us ...I think.
We live in some of the most turbulent times of our lives, The Irishman included.
...And Joker too. Even Quentin Tarantino came up with his own twist this year.
Next, Sam Mendes and Roger Deakins...1917
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I agree about Pacino. He was the weakest of the 3
IMO Pesci was the best as he was really the center of the story.
IMO Pesci was the best as he was really the center of the story.
I didn’t find much magic in this movie other than Pesces reserved boss role. I truly think the director and actors are driving a herd mentality re: this film.
It’s quite a snoozer compared with his other mafia movies. Critics film, not a union mans version. Lots of good directing and acting with a bad script.
It’s quite a snoozer compared with his other mafia movies. Critics film, not a union mans version. Lots of good directing and acting with a bad script.
Coincidental, his middle name is Frank.
Joseph Frank Pesci (/?p??i/ PESH-ee, Italian pronunciation: [?pe??i]; born February 9, 1943) is an American actor. He is known for portraying tough, volatile characters in a variety of genres and for his collaborations with Robert De Niro and Martin Scorsese in the films Raging Bull (1980), Goodfellas (1990), Casino (1995) and The Irishman (2019). He also appeared in Once Upon a Time in America (1984), Moonwalker (1988), JFK (1991), A Bronx Tale (1993), and The Good Shepherd (2006). His comedy roles include such films as Home Alone (1990), My Cousin Vinny (1992), Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992), and the Lethal Weapon franchise (1989–1998).
Pesci won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his role as the psychopathic gangster Tommy DeVito (based on Thomas DeSimone) in Goodfellas; he had been previously nominated for the same award for his role as Joey LaMotta in Raging Bull. He announced his retirement from acting in 1999, and since then he has appeared only occasionally in films. He is also a musician who recorded three studio albums, Little Joe Sure Can Sing! (1968), Vincent LaGuardia Gambini Sings Just for You (1998) and Still Singing (2019). In 2019, Pesci returned from his retirement to star alongside Robert De Niro and Al Pacino in Martin Scorsese's The Irishman (2019).
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Twenty years ago he retired from acting. I like him in the movie My Cousin Vinny.
* With so many articles I've read about The Irishman, after seeing it...the real story (if there is one), I think that I'm going to watch the film once more before the end of this year. That way I'll have another perspective on Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro's partnership in "crime" (filmmaking based on the book ...).
Here's another article from a month ago (November 1st) that I've read earlier today:
? https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/11/the-irishman-true-story-frank-sheeran
Martin Scorsese said that he “[doesn’t] really care about” the truth of what happened to Hoffa.
And @ the end of the article; Harvard Law School professor Jack L. Goldsmith said he thinks the filmmaker “should care. Because he is falsely portraying a living person, Chuckie O’Brien, in a crime O’Brien did not commit.”
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Personally all those articles that I've posted, including this one, are very interesting to understand better one of the greatest filmmakers of our time. Scorsese and Coppola are super interesting filmmakers to get into their heads, behind their camera lenses. Some films come with some controversies more than others. Last year Green Book had some, but ended up winning the Oscar for Best Picture ... the number one top prize. And I'm all good with that because it was a great film, a great storyline.
This year draws to be another exciting evening @ the Academy Awards...February 9, 2020
Joseph Frank Pesci (/?p??i/ PESH-ee, Italian pronunciation: [?pe??i]; born February 9, 1943) is an American actor. He is known for portraying tough, volatile characters in a variety of genres and for his collaborations with Robert De Niro and Martin Scorsese in the films Raging Bull (1980), Goodfellas (1990), Casino (1995) and The Irishman (2019). He also appeared in Once Upon a Time in America (1984), Moonwalker (1988), JFK (1991), A Bronx Tale (1993), and The Good Shepherd (2006). His comedy roles include such films as Home Alone (1990), My Cousin Vinny (1992), Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992), and the Lethal Weapon franchise (1989–1998).
Pesci won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his role as the psychopathic gangster Tommy DeVito (based on Thomas DeSimone) in Goodfellas; he had been previously nominated for the same award for his role as Joey LaMotta in Raging Bull. He announced his retirement from acting in 1999, and since then he has appeared only occasionally in films. He is also a musician who recorded three studio albums, Little Joe Sure Can Sing! (1968), Vincent LaGuardia Gambini Sings Just for You (1998) and Still Singing (2019). In 2019, Pesci returned from his retirement to star alongside Robert De Niro and Al Pacino in Martin Scorsese's The Irishman (2019).
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Twenty years ago he retired from acting. I like him in the movie My Cousin Vinny.
* With so many articles I've read about The Irishman, after seeing it...the real story (if there is one), I think that I'm going to watch the film once more before the end of this year. That way I'll have another perspective on Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro's partnership in "crime" (filmmaking based on the book ...).
Here's another article from a month ago (November 1st) that I've read earlier today:
? https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/11/the-irishman-true-story-frank-sheeran
Martin Scorsese said that he “[doesn’t] really care about” the truth of what happened to Hoffa.
And @ the end of the article; Harvard Law School professor Jack L. Goldsmith said he thinks the filmmaker “should care. Because he is falsely portraying a living person, Chuckie O’Brien, in a crime O’Brien did not commit.”
_____
Personally all those articles that I've posted, including this one, are very interesting to understand better one of the greatest filmmakers of our time. Scorsese and Coppola are super interesting filmmakers to get into their heads, behind their camera lenses. Some films come with some controversies more than others. Last year Green Book had some, but ended up winning the Oscar for Best Picture ... the number one top prize. And I'm all good with that because it was a great film, a great storyline.
This year draws to be another exciting evening @ the Academy Awards...February 9, 2020
i thought it was Good Fellas on steroids. I think it might win the Emmy but not the Oscar for Best Movie
it might also win the Golden Globe for best cameo cast although I believe Open Knives will be a shoe in for that award
the Irishman was very long and did drag in spots but we enjoyed it. A typical Scorsese movie
i read that the first edit on the film was well over 4 hours.
I agree with Keith that Pesci was the best of the 3. Pacino overacted his role and DeNiro did what he does best and that’s playing a bad guy
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