The End Of A 35 Year Journey ---Zellaton -The Reference Ultra Final Frontier

[Steve williams]

To be fully transparent I'm one of the guys who proposed to Steve SS amp option. If you believe that I'm "silly SS aficionado" having entire system for years and years made out of tube components only (mainly DHT) so be it.
But I am in the camp of thought that each speaker type requires a "specific" amp type in order to shine at its best. Placing monster SS amp on 100dB horns won't really cut the chase or SET amp with 300b tubes on panel speakers also won't deliver the goodies both are capable of.
To me same goes for multiple driver dynamic speakers coupled with SET DHT amp. Does it sound fantastic - I have no doubt, could it sound potentially better with big SS amp with proper damping factor etc. - maybe yes maybe no to the ears of the owner.
Again, for the sake of truth - i proposed to Steve to TRY (not BUY) and hear on his own beside his Lamms only power amp while not changing the pre as tube pre in my book is essential, to see what two conceptually different type of power amps are bringing to the table - nothing more nothing less.
For example - Gideon having Soulution in his portfolio I'm sure he would be willing to loan one for a demo for a big customer as Steve is.

Anyways if Steve is happy with as is electronics, I'm happy and that is it.

P.S. Not sure I've seen Zellaton going around the shows (like Munich) demoing their stuff with SET amps...but I've seen them doing it with big monster SS amps - guess there must be a reason for that...

Zell used to show with CH Precision back in the day. I can imagine a CHP M1 on those speakers. People used to say that it was a like a triode with mega power. LoL

Goran. I completely agree with everything you said. I have zero rebuttal except to say that it’s another rabbit hole that I will leave for another life.

 

[Alrainbow]

Goebel are speakers I love and there box ones too.
Riviara is great when paired with them .

 

[pdubya]

Hey Steve
Glad to see the appetizer is whetting your appetite for the main course ...
Gideon set up my PE's in a large room, but I've since moved them to a room about the size of yours, albeit mine is unprofessionally-treated. I've ended up with them, vis tweeter, about 79" from the front wall, 28" from the sidewall, 120" from the listening position, and 110" apart. Toe-in is somewhere between 10 and 15 degrees (the outer front foot is about 2" closer to the backwall than the inner front foot, and a goodly portion of each speaker's inward side is visible -- tweeters pointed at least 1.5' outside my shoulders ...). Is this anything like how Gideon ended up placing yours?
Thanks
Parker

 

[Steve williams]

your set up iis almost identical to what he did in my room, although my listening position is closer and speaker is somewhat closer to front wall

Id be happy to take measurements and PM them to you tomorrow if you'd like but it looks close to what he did in my room

 

[Steve williams]

Parker didnt you have photos of your previous set up here on WBF

 

[pdubya]

Thanks for the offer but no need

Parker didnt you have photos of your previous set up here on WBF

In the big room, yes. (Alsyvox in there now.). Current room, I don't think so. My chair is further back in order to place it in best position for room's smoothest bass response. I've tried moving chair into more of a near-field experience but ended up pushing it back. In order to pull speakers closer to chair/further from front wall I would need to rearrange the rug and furniture. Maybe one of these days.
No need to go to trouble of measurements, thanks. Just curious how setup might compare given similar room dimensions (mine's 19x14). If Gideon is ever so unfortunate as to find himself in NC again one of these days maybe he'll come tweak things for me ...

 

[Steve williams]

Thanks for the offer but no need

In the big room, yes. (Alsyvox in there now.). Current room, I don't think so. My chair is further back in order to place it in best position for room's smoothest bass response. I've tried moving chair into more of a near-field experience but ended up pushing it back. In order to pull speakers closer to chair/further from front wall I would need to rearrange the rug and furniture. Maybe one of these days.
No need to go to trouble of measurements, thanks. Just curious how setup might compare given similar room dimensions (mine's 19x14). If Gideon is ever so unfortunate as to find himself in NC again one of these days maybe he'll come tweak things for me ...

yes in the big room.ii seem to remember you had the big Clarisys prior to PE

 

[pdubya]

yes in the big room.ii seem to remember you had the big Clarisys prior to PE

Yep ...
And oddly enough, a few years after Soulution featured Clarisys Auditorium at Munich, this year they have the Caravaggio-- I was a little amused when I saw those pictures online this week.