Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème

[audio42]

This dac had been working with the extreme before? Or was just introduced?

Yes, it's been working fine since I got the Extreme. I normally restart and lately, XDMS wouldn't allow me to restart within the app so I had to use the front panel button.

Then out of the blue, after a restart, can no longer play and the app says it can't initialize the ASIO driver. Very strange.

 

[oldmustang]

Yes, it's been working fine since I got the Extreme. I normally restart and lately, XDMS wouldn't allow me to restart within the app so I had to use the front panel button.

Then out of the blue, after a restart, can no longer play and the app says it can't initialize the ASIO driver. Very strange.

It might be a bit early in the troubleshooting process but you may want to consider asking Ed to help you with a clean re-install of the latest version of XDMI files if your other experiments give a clean bill of health to your cable and DAC.

Good luck -- I know how frustrating computer audio problems can be!

Steve Z

 

[engadin]

After an internet drop out I had the same problem.
Resetting App and T Extreme didn’t help. I disconnected T router and T switch from dc, waited, connected T r, T sw and no music.
Per chance I noticed that the Taiko Extreme serial number had been lost in the set up menu.
Adding the serial number, pressing „fetch“ and then below pressing „connect“ and Voilà … music, again!

 

[audio42]

After an internet drop out I had the same problem.
Resetting App and T Extreme didn’t help. I disconnected T router and T switch from dc, waited, connected T r, T sw and no music.
Per chance I noticed that the Taiko Extreme serial number had been lost in the set up menu.
Adding the serial number, pressing „fetch“ and then below pressing „connect“ and Voilà … music, again!

Wow, seemed so promising since the serial number wasn't there. Tried that, nope.

Hooked up an old laptop, DAC worked perfectly so that's not the problem.

I think Steve is right. Might need a new install of XDMS. I was hoping beta was ready...

Thank you everyone for the great trouble shooting ideas.

Sincerely,
Arun

 

[audio42]

Sent a message to Ed last night before going to bed and woke up to hear the good news, literally. It seems a file in XDMS was corrupted, and a parameter value was missing. Weird.

Thanks again for all the ideas, helps to narrow down the issue. Still half of a long, long weekend to enjoy music (Canada day).

Arun

 

[engadin]

30 degrees Celsius here, a penthouse without air conditioning.
Taiko Extreme:
Front 38
Left heatsink 40.9
Right heatsink 44 degree Celsius, as it sits next to my DAC here.

Should I worry? Get a fan? Switch off all? Switch to standby with front switch? Which temparature at heatsink would make you switch things off?

Cheers, keep hydrated and have a swim!
Ulrich

 

[MarcelNL]

Should I worry? Get a fan? Switch off all? Which temparature at heatsink would make you switch things off?

My DIY version runs at 49 C core CPU...I'd take the room temp as your guide for switching into stdby....I did that at 22C room temp to help passive cooling using the floor heating and geothermal heat pump
( now at 22.5C room temp)

 

[engadin]

30 degrees Celsius here, a penthouse without air conditioning.
Taiko Extreme:
Front 38
Left heatsink 40.9
Right heatsink 44 degree Celsius, as it sits next to my DAC here.

Should I worry? Get a fan? Switch off all? Switch to standby with front switch? Which temparature at heatsink would make you switch things off?

Taiko Helpdesk had answered my question:
Hi Ulrich,
No problem, this is no issue.
Kind Regards,
Ted Leer.

Meanwhile temperatures at the right heatsink had reached 47 Celsius, system sounding odd.
Reasons could have been many. A naughty friend told me it might have been … too much Riesling.

So … I placed an old fan in front of my system, lowering T Extreme temperature to 33Celsius on front,
slowly raising my personal Riesling level: system sounding good!
I can now assure you that even advanced levels of Riesling aren’t detrimental to perceived sound

Might have been several Furutech ncf ingredients in my new Stromtank S4000 Mk
II XT breaking in (this is quite another beast than the S2500 II I had before, astonishingly improved sonics).

I have ordered a low noise Noctua 200mm fan to be placed below the rack, nevertheless.
A few Taikonauts had written at page 820ff that their Extremes did benefit from cooling, so this might help my system during summer.

Cheers!
Ulrich

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...as long as the Riesling doesn't hit those high temps, I think you're OK.

 

[John T]

Taiko Helpdesk had answered my question:
Hi Ulrich,
No problem, this is no issue.
Kind Regards,
Ted Leer.

Meanwhile temperatures at the right heatsink had reached 47 Celsius, system sounding odd.
Reasons could have been many. A naughty friend told me it might have been … too much Riesling.

So … I placed an old fan in front of my system, lowering T Extreme temperature to 33Celsius on front,
slowly raising my personal Riesling level: system sounding good!
I can now assure you that even advanced levels of Riesling aren’t detrimental to perceived sound

Might have been several Furutech ncf ingredients in my new Stromtank S4000 Mk
II XT breaking in (this is quite another beast than the S2500 II I had before, astonishingly improved sonics).

I have ordered a low noise Noctua 200mm fan to be placed below the rack, nevertheless.
A few Taikonauts had written at page 820ff that their Extremes did benefit from cooling, so this might help my system during summer.

Cheers!
Ulrich

Engadin, I do hope that Riesling is either from the Silvaner or Muller-Thurgau grape! Nice color!

 

[engadin]

@MarkusBarkus
While some wine freaks do decant a say Heymann Löwenstein for several hours and drink it at room temp (yikes!), I prefer it chilled!

@John T
Riesling is it’s own grape variety!

 

[John T]

@MarkusBarkus
While some wine freaks do decant a say Heymann Löwenstein for several hours and drink it at room temp (yikes!), I prefer it chilled!

@John T
Riesling is it’s own grape variety!

I know this! However, I am partial to the German Silvaner or Muller - Thurgau. Hard to beat a good Riesling! I'm with you chilled! Around 7C. Use that thermometer of yours! I thought you lived in Germany so I assumed that's what you have been sipping on...Enjoy, the mushrooms look very nice...2008, 100% Riesling! Beautiful bottle of wine. Lowenstein does many blends too..

 

[Taiko Audio]

Taiko Helpdesk had answered my question:
Hi Ulrich,
No problem, this is no issue.
Kind Regards,
Ted Leer.

Meanwhile temperatures at the right heatsink had reached 47 Celsius, system sounding odd.
Reasons could have been many. A naughty friend told me it might have been … too much Riesling.

So … I placed an old fan in front of my system, lowering T Extreme temperature to 33Celsius on front,
slowly raising my personal Riesling level: system sounding good!
I can now assure you that even advanced levels of Riesling aren’t detrimental to perceived sound

Might have been several Furutech ncf ingredients in my new Stromtank S4000 Mk
II XT breaking in (this is quite another beast than the S2500 II I had before, astonishingly improved sonics).

I have ordered a low noise Noctua 200mm fan to be placed below the rack, nevertheless.
A few Taikonauts had written at page 820ff that their Extremes did benefit from cooling, so this might help my system during summer.

Cheers!
Ulrich

The right (CPU) copper heatsink temperature should be between 15°C and 20°C above ambient. Cooling efficiency does decrease as ambient temperature increases. While 47°C isn't problematic, you may indeed notice an audible difference. This audible difference tends to apply to all of your gear btw

 

[cat6man]

While we wait for the xdms beta and Emiles new thread on extreme evolution options, on discord we're discussing Zeno and Mandelbrot.

 

[Alrainbow]

47 c is above 115 degrees f and wow , this is at the heatsinks , what is the core temp ? has to be way above the sinks . The PSU uses same sinks so it's feeding back to core I would think
at these temps the cpu must be shutting down cores and this maybe why sound changes .
why don't taiko have an internal fan to lower peak temps , no one would hear it unless there ears are up to it.
Regarding other audio temps there is no direct compare I can think of where it compromises sound aside of big class A amps

 

[Christiaan Punter]

47 c is above 115 degrees f and wow , this is at the heatsinks , what is the core temp ? has to be way above the sinks . The PSU uses same sinks so it's feeding back to core I would think
at these temps the cpu must be shutting down cores and this maybe why sound changes .
why don't taiko have an internal fan to lower peak temps , no one would hear it unless there ears are up to it.
Regarding other audio temps there is no direct compare I can think of where it compromises sound aside of big class A amps

To enhance efficiency and reduce support response times, some questions may be answered by our AI moving forward. We appreciate your understanding as we continue to improve your experience.

Thermal Throttling Threshold – Intel Xeon Silver 4210:
The Intel Xeon Silver 4210 has a maximum junction temperature (TjMax) of 86°C.
At this temperature, the CPU will begin thermal throttling, reducing its clock speed and voltage to prevent overheating.

With Extreme Server’s Copper Heatsink Assembly:
In systems using the Extreme server-grade copper heatsink assembly, testing and empirical data show the CPU core temperature averages ~12°C higher than the heatsink temperature.

This means:
Throttling begins when the heatsink reaches ~74°C, because: 86°C (TjMax) – 12°C = 74°C heatsink temp

So, if your heatsink surface temp hits 74°C, your CPU is approaching thermal limits, and throttling is likely to begin.

Operating Temperature Guidelines Condition / Core Temp / Heatsink Temp (approx.):

Idle: 30–45°C / 18–33°C
Moderate Load: 55–70°C / 43–58°C
Heavy Load: 75–85°C / 63–73°C
Throttling Zone: 86°C+ / 74°C+

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...I thought AI was disallowed on WBF? Although it makes sense (to me) for boiler-plate posts like above.

 

[Christiaan Punter]

...I thought AI was disallowed on WBF? Although it makes sense (to me) for boiler-plate posts like above.

The content was AI-generated, but curated by me before posting.

 

[Alrainbow]

To enhance efficiency and reduce support response times, some questions may be answered by our AI moving forward. We appreciate your understanding as we continue to improve your experience.

Thermal Throttling Threshold – Intel Xeon Silver 4210:
The Intel Xeon Silver 4210 has a maximum junction temperature (TjMax) of 86°C.
At this temperature, the CPU will begin thermal throttling, reducing its clock speed and voltage to prevent overheating.

With Extreme Server’s Copper Heatsink Assembly:
In systems using the Extreme server-grade copper heatsink assembly, testing and empirical data show the CPU core temperature averages ~12°C higher than the heatsink temperature.

This means:
Throttling begins when the heatsink reaches ~74°C, because: 86°C (TjMax) – 12°C = 74°C heatsink temp

So, if your heatsink surface temp hits 74°C, your CPU is approaching thermal limits, and throttling is likely to begin.

Operating Temperature Guidelines Condition / Core Temp / Heatsink Temp (approx.):

Idle: 30–45°C / 18–33°C
Moderate Load: 55–70°C / 43–58°C
Heavy Load: 75–85°C / 63–73°C
Throttling Zone: 86°C+ / 74°C+

You need to update the AI the stated temps were from taiko lol

 

[Alrainbow]

The right (CPU) copper heatsink temperature should be between 15°C and 20°C above ambient. Cooling efficiency does decrease as ambient temperature increases. While 47°C isn't problematic, you may indeed notice an audible difference. This audible difference tends to apply to all of your gear btw

See above