True we have offered lots of ideas of what we think might fit in to a system at this price range but until we get an idea of what Ron's friend has for space it's all idle speculation.
System for Under US$10,000 MSRP
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I note that Herb and Steve believe that the purpose of reviews is to “Entertain,” and to “Inform”, in that order. So I’m not alone in this belief.
That cost does no infer that he cannot have a nice system that he enjoys.
And one could spend $50k and have a system that is not enjoyable.
Secondly, in terms of what’s best, a well put together system, should be able to last decades.
Sure “the best” can evolve to be a moving target, but a TT seems more stable than the promise of digital that was made in the 80s… which is still seeming improving every year, and in need of upgrades.
I just had a long talk with my friend.
current loudspeakers: Reference 3A Type MM Gen 2
current amplifier: Adcom
current pre-amp tuner: Adcom
speakers are against the wall, but new speakers could be about 2 feet from the wall
open to floorstanding speakers (stand mounts not required)
open to raising budget cap to about US$12,000 if it makes a material improvement in sound quality
does not want to deal with tubes
would like to have a basic Qobuz streaming ability
not interested in going to a couple of dealers to hear a different speakers
current loudspeakers: Reference 3A Type MM Gen 2
current amplifier: Adcom
current pre-amp tuner: Adcom
speakers are against the wall, but new speakers could be about 2 feet from the wall
open to floorstanding speakers (stand mounts not required)
open to raising budget cap to about US$12,000 if it makes a material improvement in sound quality
does not want to deal with tubes
would like to have a basic Qobuz streaming ability
not interested in going to a couple of dealers to hear a different speakers
Living Voice Auditorium R25A loudspeakers $6,350
or
Fyne 501SP $4,800
Music Hall Stealth DD record player $1,649
or
Rega Planar 6 with Exact 2 MM $2,245
Heed Exilir $1,450
or
Bel Canto C6i $3,195 (includes DAC)
or
or Sugden A21 Signature (includes phono) $3,250
LinkPlay Wiim Pro Plus $249 + Qobuz account $13/month
Pro-Ject VC-S2 record cleaning machine $500
or
Fyne 501SP $4,800
Music Hall Stealth DD record player $1,649
or
Rega Planar 6 with Exact 2 MM $2,245
Heed Exilir $1,450
or
Bel Canto C6i $3,195 (includes DAC)
or
or Sugden A21 Signature (includes phono) $3,250
LinkPlay Wiim Pro Plus $249 + Qobuz account $13/month
Pro-Ject VC-S2 record cleaning machine $500
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Interesting.
I liked the Reference 3A De Capo not so much their floor standers. The MM would be a previous model to the DeCapo so probably should be upgraded. Having said that I haven't heard many small Medium sized speakers that sound their best 2 feet from anything. Forum members have at at it. I could go with some some Odeon Orfeo.
There should be better electronics available than the Adcom. An integrated with phono perhaps.
Basic streaming would be a Blusound Node, very do able. Subscription to Qobuz or Tidal, maybe even Roon.
Based on the above with the remaining funds I would put as much as I could into the turntable/tonearm/ cartridge combination. Probably a hi output mc or solid mm.
I have a pair of Reference 3A MM gen II Serie Master speakers ( made in France pre current Reference 3A ownership ) sitting around. Have had them +20 years. They are very ugly ( imho ) but can sound very good vs their value. Super minimal crossover and easy to drive.
If NY friend is tired of how they look by all means replace them. But if this is purely a sonic issue they may surprise him if paired with better and more appropriate electronics. 25w SS should be plenty.
If NY friend is tired of how they look by all means replace them. But if this is purely a sonic issue they may surprise him if paired with better and more appropriate electronics. 25w SS should be plenty.
I agree the Living Voice speakers are exceptional, although a bit pricey for the budget. An easy load that can be used with low wattage amplifiers tube or solid state and in constant Improvement. Ron, thanks to DB I now have a Wimpro for my office system running into my Baltic 4. The piece is simply a marvel at the price! I find it incredibly fun to put together a system in this price range that makes music.
I suspect that you are correct although some speakers don't age well. Having no experience with this model I don't have an opinion.
I would also offer my opinion that if the user is likely going to place them close up against a wall or furniture then there is little sense in spending to much on any speaker unless it is known to work well close to a boundary.
what is wrong with ^them^?
What is wrong with ^those^?
So far, all I have gleaned is that the fellow wants a TT.
Maybe just consider adding a TT to what he already has. There is always more to be done, but that gets it started.
Wait, what about the Schitt Ragnarok 2 integrated amplifier with phono stage and DAC ($1,900)?
How does the sound of Schitt compare to the sound of the Class D Bel Canto C6i?
How does the sound of Schitt compare to the sound of the Class D Bel Canto C6i?
Yes, there's a good chance he'll spend $12K and end up with something different but not better.
I'd keep the power amp and speakers and spend the money on a new preamp and turntable. He can try a streamer DAC later from Amazon, risk free as he might not like the sound.
Great sound and pride of ownership from this;(yes it has tubes)
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I have indirectly: Fynes in one room, Living Voice in another (identically sized) room, so the comments that follow are approximative at best. Electronics were the NAD (the Purifi model). I don't remember the streamer - source was Qobuz.
In this respect, the Fyne, were no match for the Livings i.e. in more extended FR and musically coherent in that the orchestra sounded complete, more dynamics...)
Again, I am not saying the Fynes are not good speakers, just describing an unfortunate comparison.
In this price range If he does not want to have tube amplifier then I am sure he will not get best sound for $10K.
for SS amplification the all in one box (dac/pre/power) class D solutions like devialet or lindemann are in this market.
Speaker for this setup could be Magnaplanar 1.7i
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