Sad news. MBL has filed for insolvency.

[beaur]

no matter what the subject starts out as on WBF it always ends with Horns and Tubes.
I'm going to do an experiment and start a thread on anal warts and let's see what happens LOL

That's a quick discussion. Those warts were cause my sitting in an Eames chair listening to Class D amps. The high frequency switching interacts with that older glue in the bent plywood. At least that's what I read somewhere on the web!!

 

[beaur]

Of course they can this is the WBF forum .
It doesnt mean they right.

On WBF we aim / claim for the " best " otherwise it could be called.


"The Mediocre Forum " TMF

It's a fine part but No one can tell YOU what sounds best/worst. They can let you, and everyone else know what THEY think sounds best/worst.

 

[Elliot G.]

With photos?

this is so far of the rails as to be nominated for an award by the AOC Intelligent life search foundation

 

[PeterA]

One man's "natural sound" from analog/tube/horns is another man's rolled off, dull, ear - piercing PA system.

sbo6, is it possible for an audio system to be both rolled off and ear-piercing? Can you give a few examples of such systems?

 

[PeterA]

What is your implication, Amir? That analog/tube/horns objectively is superior to other stereo system configurations?

This appears to be your logic:

1) David is very experienced in audio

2) David likes analog/tube/horns

3) Therefore analog/tube/horns is the best

In a subjective hobby this logic fails.

By the way, Roman's positions on many audio issues are so obviously wacky that I consider him to have discredited himself entirely.

Ron, can you describe just two or three of Romy's positions on audio issues that are "so obviously wacky"?

 

[Ron Resnick]

Ron, can you describe just two or three of Romy's positions on audio issues that are "so obviously wacky"?

 

[PeterA]

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OK, thank you, Ron. I see those as his preferences and strong opinions, but not obviously wacky. I will look for the context and his writings that lead you to make that list.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

OK, thank you, Ron. I see those as his preferences and strong opinions, but not obviously wacky. I will look for the context and his writings that lead you to make that list.

wacky? don't know.

but always entertaining. and glad he is part of our hobby.

 

[wil]

Maybe I am wrong but what I see is less than 50% of audiophiles prefer natural sound of analog/tube/horn systems.

Romy the Cat, David @ddk, Kevin, Me, You, Tima, Peter and few others are in this category.

Yes, I think maybe you are wrong.

A telling sign of this could be an apparent gravitational attraction to those whom you believe are authorities, and giving them an almost guru status.

Another, is making lists of what and who is right and what and who is wrong.

 

[PeterA]

Yes, I think maybe you are wrong.

A telling sign of this could be an apparent gravitational attraction to those whom you believe are authorities, and giving them an almost guru status.

Another, is making lists of what and who is right and what and who is wrong.

Wil, I see Amir listing a few people who follow one approach but not naming those who follow a different approach. And I do not see where he writes that either approach is right or wrong.

On what do you base your comment that Amir is wrong? Wrong about what exactly?

 

[Another Johnson]

Maybe I am wrong but what I see is less than 50% of audiophiles prefer natural sound of analog/tube/horn systems.

Frankly, I think this statement is true. The natural sound of analog/horn/tube systems is found in well under 50% of the homes of audiophiles I’ve known. Assuming people buy what they prefer, my experience is that @Amir is correct.

FWIW, what the natural sound of analog/horn/tube systems is is a different question … and this forum suggests that it will never be definitively or undebatably answered.

 

[andromedaaudio]

One brand does it all .
No need to mention tubes , solid state ,cables ....all this nonsense anymore

 

[PeterA]

One brand does it all .
No need to mention tubes , solid state ,cables ....all this nonsense anymore

Can one buy an all-FMA system that does it all without the need for products from any other brand? I was not aware of that. Must be expensive.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Can one buy an all-FMA system that does it all without the need for products from any other brand? I was not aware of that. Must be expensive.

Yes u can you only need a TT and cartridge the rest is all.FMA .
Its not cheap something like a 500 - 600 K total system but it sounds 10 times better then your regular Wilson wamm / magico M7. D AGOSTINO

FMA is a complete different level .
The rest of Hifi thats on the market sounds broken in comparison

 

[Al M.]

Frankly, I think this statement is true. The natural sound of analog/horn/tube systems is found in well under 50% of the homes of audiophiles I’ve known.

The majority of audiophiles, including me, are addicted to UnNatural Sound (TM). Proudly so in my case, I must say!

 

[andromedaaudio]

Can one buy an all-FMA system that does it all without the need for products from any other brand? I was not aware of that. Must be expensive.

I will not buy their speakers , because i make speakers
But their amps ....100 %

 

[wil]

Wil, I see Amir listing a few people who follow one approach but not naming those who follow a different approach. And I do not see where he writes that either approach is right or wrong.

On what do you base your comment that Amir is wrong? Wrong about what exactly?

I disagree with the fundamental notion that what is commonly known among audiophile types as “natural” sound to be exclusively the playground of system owners who use analog, tubes and horns.

This is not my personal experience or that of many more of the great unwashed here.

I do value some of his posts though they can come off a bit like Audio Scripture delivered from the Temple Mount.

 

[amey01]

What makes you think an intelligent, genius (strong word IMO), innovative engineer is the one running the business? Does that mean he does testing, manufacturing, shipping, advertising, etc. also?

I don't know what the set up of the business was.

My post was noting that engineering (and ultimately, creating great products) and running a successful business are two distinct disciplines.

I, like many audiophiles, believe MBL make great products. Clearly the business was not well run - it collapsed.

But producing great product does not guarantee that the business is well run.

That's all you need to make of my post. No inferences on the structure of the business, or who was involved with what parts. I have no idea.

 

[Al M.]

I do value some of his posts here though they can come off a bit like Audio Scripture delivered from the Temple Mount.

Well, at least he has Seen The Light. I prefer to sit in the dark, at least when listening to music.

 

[PeterA]

The majority of audiophiles, including me, are addicted to UnNatural Sound (TM). Proudly so in my case, I must say!

One can also say the natural sound of tubes, cones and CDs. I don’t read the comment as exclusionary of typology. I think Amir’s point is that less than half of audiophiles follow the approach of horns and tubes and vinyl.