Ron’s New System

[andromedaaudio]

I think everyone, especially audiophiles, given nature of hobby and their age, should deadlift and barbell row on a regular basis for back health. Not being funny.

Audiophiles should start lifting interlinks then loudspeaker cables if that goes well source components followed by power amps and last but not least Loudspeakers

 

[Ron Resnick]

Where are the 300 pound Tongans you keep on retainer?

This is more of a fine fingers job.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Ron, hire some people. Dang. It doesn't need to be this complicated. Have them get it out, bring it up or down and have them place it where you would like it.

It really isn't that hard. You are not alone in this...

Tom

Thanks, Tom. I don't think it's complicated.

I unscrewed the top; I unscrewed the side. All done.

 

[morricab]

Thanks, Tom. I don't think it's complicated.

I unscrewed the top; I unscrewed the side. All done.

Now we know why you never gave your feedback on the sound when you got it…

 

[PeterA]

Ron, when do you think you will actually install this new preamp and what is it replacing? Will you some day share your listening impressions here on this thread?

 

[Ron Resnick]

Now we know why you never gave your feedback on the sound when you got it…

It's been in the garage this whole time.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Ron, when do you think you will actually install this new preamp

I don't know. Very likely this year.

and what is it replacing?

VTL TL-7.5 Series III

Will you some day share your listening impressions here on this thread?

Definitely!

This the same preamp I had for several months, so it's a familiar component. Except this one has a higher gain structure much more appropriate for my system. I am hoping it's everything I liked before, plus icing on top from a bit of additional dynamics and aliveness.

 

[XV-1]

I don't know. Very likely this year.


VTL TL-7.5 Series III


Definitely!

This the same preamp I had for several months, so it's a familiar component. Except this one has a higher gain structure much more appropriate for my system. I am hoping it's everything I liked before, plus icing on top from a bit of additional dynamics and aliveness.

Hi Ron

Not sure I understand your statement regarding gain structure


VTL 7.5 III has 19db gain balanced and 13db gain SE.

Aries Incito S has 20db gain or 14db gain SE.


My view is the VTL 7.5 is just a poor performing preamp. I bought the original 7.5 and found the gain structure was a joke - anything amp over 26db gain produced audible noise.

Happy listening to the new preamp, as I am sure it's just a better sounding preamp.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Hi Ron

Not sure I understand your statement regarding gain structure


VTL 7.5 III has 19db gain balanced and 13db gain SE.

correct

Aries Incito S has 20db gain or 14db gain SE.

incorrect

The Incito S is offered with different gain structures. My demo unit was around 8 dB.

My view is the VTL 7.5 is just a poor performing preamp.

I don't agree at all.

I bought the original 7.5 and found the gain structure was a joke - anything amp over 26db gain produced audible noise

My TL-7.5 Series III was extremely quiet.

Happy listening to the new preamp

Thank you!

, as I am sure it's just a better sounding preamp.

This is a subjective hobby. I think the TL-7.5 Series III is a fantastic sounding preamp, one of the best in the world.

But as a match for the rest of my system I preferred the greater tonal density and "meatiness" of the Incito S.

 

[morricab]

correct


incorrect

The Incito S is offered with different gain structures. My demo unit was around 8 dB.


I don't agree at all.


My TL-7.5 Series III was extremely quiet.


Thank you!


This is a subjective hobby. I think the TL-7.5 Series III is a fantastic sounding preamp, one of the best in the world.

But as a match for the rest of my system I preferred the greater tonal density and "meatiness" of the Incito S.

My Incito has two gain settings that are switchable on the back.

 

[XV-1]

correct


incorrect

The Incito S is offered with different gain structures. My demo unit was around 8 dB.


I don't agree at all.


My TL-7.5 Series III was extremely quiet.


Thank you!


This is a subjective hobby. I think the TL-7.5 Series III is a fantastic sounding preamp, one of the best in the world.

But as a match for the rest of my system I preferred the greater tonal density and "meatiness" of the Incito S.

Ron

I got the gain numbers from the Aries website site.

You said the new preamp has a higher gain structure - 8db gain is not higher, unless it has less attenuation giving the impression of higher gain?

 

[Ron Resnick]

My Incito has two gain settings that are switchable on the back.

Yes, my new one too. But not my original demo unit.

 

[Ron Resnick]

You said the new preamp has a higher gain structure

correct

8db gain is not higher,

correct

Please reread my posts about Incito S.

unless it has less attenuation giving the impression of higher gain?

no

 

[DasguteOhr]

Hi Ron

Not sure I understand your statement regarding gain structure


VTL 7.5 III has 19db gain balanced and 13db gain SE.

Aries Incito S has 20db gain or 14db gain SE.


My view is the VTL 7.5 is just a poor performing preamp. I bought the original 7.5 and found the gain structure was a joke - anything amp over 26db gain produced audible noise.

Happy listening to the new preamp, as I am sure it's just a better sounding preamp.

I'm also not a big fan of hybrid preamps. In Germans says, neither fish nor fowl.

 

[Ron Resnick]

I'm also not a big fan of hybrid preamps. In Germans says, neither fish nor fowl.

As I've said written many times, for me, implementation (resulting sound) trumps theory. In direct comparison D'Agostino preamp on XVX with Varese, I easily preferred the 7.5.

I love the sound of the 7.5 III, just not in my current system. I certainly prefer it to the vastly more expensive Boulder 3010.

 

[PeterA]

As I've said written many times, for me, implementation (resulting sound) trumps theory. In direct comparison D'Agostino preamp on XVX with Varese, I easily preferred the 7.5.

I love the sound of the 7.5 III, just not in my current system. I certainly prefer it to the vastly more expensive Boulder 3010.

Do you prefer the 7.5 III to the Boulder 3010 in your current system or in your friend’s evolving system with different speakers and different DACs, or both?

 

[Ron Resnick]

Do you prefer the 7.5 III to the Boulder 3010 in your current system or in your friend’s evolving system with different speakers and different DACs, or both?

I prefer the 7.5 III to the Boulder 3010 in every component configuration in the known universe.

I have enormous respect for Boulder. The build quality is unparalleled. It is just not my cup of tea sonically.

 

[Kingrex]

But as a match for the rest of my system I preferred the greater tonal density and "meatiness" of the Incito S.

l like density and weight too. Its hard to find it with articulate, natural, true to voices and instruments.
I admit, I like the way tubes voice. They are more natural to voice and piano. But SS is usually more dense and weighted.

Hopefully the A C gets you both.

 

[Johan K]

As I've said written many times, for me, implementation (resulting sound) trumps theory. In direct comparison D'Agostino preamp on XVX with Varese, I easily preferred the 7.5.

I love the sound of the 7.5 III, just not in my current system. I certainly prefer it to the vastly more expensive Boulder 3010.

Mix-match is the key to great sound, no matter the price. I am totally with you here Ron. One product may be totally awesome in its own right, but clearly not in every system. To find the right mix for a system is in my mind essential. Really hope you’re on the right track to get the sound you’re searching for.

/ Jk

 

[chuck]

I prefer the 7.5 III to the Boulder 3010 in every component configuration in the known universe.

I have enormous respect for Boulder. The build quality is unparalleled. It is just not my cup of tea sonically.

Why did you drag Boulder into a discussion of your system? No Boulder component would ever find its way into your rig.