In this hobby, a very small improvement is often enough to make you not want to go back to what was.
This is true. But this is a very different point than a claim of a 3X improvement by changing preamps.
 
20% could easily be the difference between daily bliss and almost never listening, thus the subjective impact of a 20% improvement can be much larger in terms of system use and pleasure.
I would think that the percentage difference between "daily bliss" and "almost never listening" would be a greater delta than 20%.

For example, if I found a system to be relentlessly edgy, bright and fatiguing, a 20% decrease in edginess, brightness and fatigue is not going to give me daily bliss.
 

For example, if I found a system to be relentlessly edgy, bright and fatiguing, a 20% decrease in edginess, brightness and fatigue is not going to give me daily bliss.
The question ^here^ is why was it edgy?
And how did that happen… i.e. what was the causal mechanism?

Is it the source, the speakers, preamp or the amp, or in a distant last… something else?
 
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[please forgive my poor English]

Anyway, whatever the model, it is an Aries Cerat : zero compromise regarding the power supplies, each tube has its own transformer and choke, etc.
This results in incredibly heavy weighty gears: 33kg for their smallest preamp, 75Kg for their new 15w NOIES SET amplifier in a compact case (the Quindecim), etc.
Such weights are no problem once the gear is in place. But it has to be...unpacked before.

My point is: be very, very careful with your back while unpacking ! Get (a lot of) help.
Before any move, think about what movement you and the team will make. Repeat those movements together before lifting any load (and clarify who wears what before any attempt: the center of gravity is closer to the transformers, rounded edges, no handle at the back, etc).​
(Sorry if this seems obvious, but I had to tout this before. And the issue with the back is that, when a snag happens, there is no Back button...)​
Good luck with the unpacking step. I cross my fingers.
 
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[please forgive my poor English]

Anyway, whatever the model, it is an Aries Cerat : zero compromise regarding the power supplies, each tube has its own transformer and choke, etc.
This results in incredibly heavy weighty gears: 33kg for their smallest preamp, 75Kg for their new 15w NOIES SET amplifier in a compact case (the Quindecim), etc.
Such weights are no problem once the gear is in place. But it has to be...unpacked before.

My point is: be very, very careful with your back while unpacking ! Get (a lot of) help.
Before any move, think about what movement you and the team will make. Repeat those movements together before lifting any load (and clarify who wears what before any attempt: the center of gravity is closer to the transformers, rounded edges, no handle at the back, etc).​
(Sorry if this seems obvious, but I had to tout this before. And the issue with the back is that, when a snag happens, there is no Back button...)​
Good luck with the unpacking step. I cross my fingers.
What a junk of babling BS. Sorry for my language, but this is just another hifi component, so what’s the big deal?! Just unpack and lift the the component on to the the rack or whatever… It’s not a piece from outer space!! Just use some real muscle and don’t stand whining, and the job is done in a jiffy… Easy Peasy as One Two Three..!

/ Jk
 
What a junk of babling BS. Sorry for my language, but this is just another hifi component, so what’s the big deal?! Just unpack and lift the the component on to the the rack or whatever… It’s not a piece from outer space!! Just use some real muscle and don’t stand whining, and the job is done in a jiffy… Easy Peasy as One Two Three..!

/ Jk

Oh, c'mon. Don't be such a ....

I found the post a helpful reminder about the hazards of lifting heavy stuff.
 
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Oh, c'mon. Don't be such a ....

I found the post a helpful reminder about the hazards of lifting heavy stuff.

Also don’t smoke while moving amplifiers, can be injurious to health
 
… It’s not a piece from outer space!!

/ Jk
Most spaceships and racecars use carbon fibre, rather than tubes and iron cores.

Some suns also have iron, but they transform the iron themselves and do not import it or ship it.
 
The question ^here^ is why was it edgy?
And how did that happen… i.e. what was the causal mechanism?

Is it the source, the speakers, preamp or the amp, or in a distant last… something else?

He just swaps boxes all the time you won’t find a proper reason.
 
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Oh, c'mon. Don't be such a ....

I found the post a helpful reminder about the hazards of lifting heavy stuff.
Hey - if it’s heavy - use a lifting belt to tight up the lower back and just grab on to it… Nothing but a peanut ;)
 
Hey - if it’s heavy - use a lifting belt to tight up the lower back and just grab on to it… Nothing but a peanut ;)

It’s just 75 kg that’s 1/3 your deadlift
 
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Hey - if it’s heavy - use a lifting belt to tight up the lower back and just grab on to it… Nothing but a peanut ;)

Well, now you are just giving friendly advice. What's the difference with the post you criticized?
 
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My wife contends that a 300% pricier component producing a 30% improvement is a sign of 3000% listener insanity.
It's all a matter of where you place the decimal points.
 
Well, now you are just giving friendly advice. What's the difference with the post you criticized?
Well, okay you could see it that way, but what I mean it’s no big deal, and one doesn’t need to write a book about it. Just unpack and lift. No more than that.

If one feel weak and can not lift, maybe one should hire a team of strongman’s to install the hifi gear.. LOL :rolleyes: .
 
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Well, okay you could see it that way, but what I mean it’s no big deal, and one doesn’t need to write a book about it. Just unpack and lift. No more than that.

If one feel weak and can not lift, maybe one should hire a team of strongman’s to install the hifi gear.. LOL :rolleyes: .

If something is a big deal or not is in the eyes of the beholder, isn't it?

Again, I found nothing objectionable with that post which was just well-intentioned and did contain helpful advice.
 
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What a junk of babling BS. Sorry for my language, but this is just another hifi component, so what’s the big deal?! Just unpack and lift the the component on to the the rack or whatever… It’s not a piece from outer space!! Just use some real muscle and don’t stand whining, and the job is done in a jiffy… Easy Peasy as One Two Three..!

/ Jk
Johan ,and with this devices, you don't have nasty marks from the heatsinks that mark you for several weeks. You don't get stupid questions at work , whether your wife whips tightly and you like that .:p
 
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Johan ,and with this devices, you don't have nasty marks from the heatsinks that mark you for several weeks. You don't get stupid questions at work , whether your wife whips tightly and you like that .:p
I don’t know what you’re saying here, or what you are coming at, Stephan.
 
This is true. But this is a very different point than a claim of a 3X improvement by changing preamps.

I try not to put numbers on it, especially in a discussion that it is all just talk and no actual listening by multiple people sitting together who can even have an opinion on such things. Lots of fluff and mysterious crates.
 
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