Ron’s New System
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A plausible theory, but not true. I am agnostic as to whether I deport the Italians or I deport the Frenchies.
Aesthetically, I think both amplifiers are beautiful in their own way (as audio boxes go), so even aesthetics is not a factor at all.
I feel a responsibility for giving you guys a reason to wake up in the morning.
This is supposed to be a 1) fun, 2) hobby. For a true hobbyist it might be a lot more fun to buy a kit car than a Miata.
In this hobby I don't actually believe that one designer necessarily is likely to be the best at every component. (There are exceptions to every rule, and my exception to this rule would be Stavros.)
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1) Occasionally I play with the woofer towers.
2) Flemming told me a long time ago that he considers that through-put to impose no active circuit sonic penalty. You are correct about the two connection interfaces and a second set of interconnects, but I assumed I could not A/B that difference. So I sort of forgot about it.
I totally agree. "Rose to the level of annoyance" is the critical question.
I don't think a single component can maximize all desired sonic attributes at the same time. Unlike some WBF members, apparently, I have never heard a single component which, for example, is the most resolving and the most natural and the most "musical" and the most dynamic and the most liquid. I think these folks are confused.
For example, I love the sound of the four box Lamm preamp, but it does not have the resolution of the Boulder 3010. I don't consider this to be a subjective impression. I consider this to be a fact observable by any non-partisan.
That’s a good approach and observation of Ron’s process and current state. Ron started after a long hiatus during the renovation project by putting a bunch of components together and “hatching” a system. I understand the dissatisfaction and need to keep trying new things given where he started. He is still searching. What I don’t understand is that he says he’s never been more satisfied with his system. He does keep sharing the testimonials of friends who don’t seem to suffer by being trapped on the same indifference curve, looking for an escape in the form of disbelief.
As a dealer of his new Clarisys speakers, I would think there are a few well known amp speaker combinations they seem to satisfy existing customers. Perhaps Ron should investigate this further with the manufacturer and the happy customer base.
I would like to read comments directly from some of the visitors to understand their thoughts about the system, and perhaps a video or two to better understand this issue of brightness.
Ron, I saw that you asked if anyone wants to buy the Frenchies. Do you own the Italians or are they on some kind of demo loan?
By agnostic, I presume you mean, indifferent. Is this why you started the indifference curve thread? Is it really about your own situation with the two amplifiers? It seems to me that you are not blown away by either amplifier combination with your new Clarisys speakers. Perhaps you should “deport” both amplifiers and keep searching by trying known combinations that other owners find successful.
The answer to this question is not a mystery. There are a number of well-known amp/speaker combinations that satisfy the manufacturer and existing owners:
Block
Convergent Audio Technology
Jadis
Karan
Soulution
Valve Amplification Company
Vacuum Tube Logic
WestminsterLab
I'm confident ARC and Gryphon would do well also. I would not be surprised if higher end Class D did well as well.
I don't think the Clarisys speakers are picky on amplification.
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No, two different concepts in this context.
Not at all. In fact on that thread I made clear that the opening post is purely theoretical and has nothing whatsoever to do with me personally.
My posted concern about edginess/brightness is impatient hand-wringing until the Italians break in. I don't know anyone on WBF who believes that break-in is nonsense, and that a collection of capacitors, tubes and transformers doesn't change its sound over the first couple of hundred hours. I'm pretty sure even many objectivists acknowledge break-in as a real thing.
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Ron, respectfully I think this is a mischaracterization. I wrote earlier, and I think a few agreed with my post, that one can find a component that sounds both natural or musical and is highly resolving. I don’t remember anyone qualifying their comments the way you have by putting “most” in front of every single characteristic. That is simply not what others are saying. You seem to be confused about what was being stated by others.
The gist of it is that if people are trying two components and they are bothered by different trade-offs or compromises with each one, get rid of both and keep searching for a component that minimizes trade-off and compromises. Within one’s own goals and preferences, this is certainly possible.
I also think most people would pair a Lamm preamplifier with a Lamm amplifier. This combination when matched with the right speaker and rest of the system can sound both natural and highly resolving. I certainly wouldn’t claim the “most“ because it completely depends on the rest of the system context, the room, and every other possible combination. Such a claim would be preposterous.
Feel free to contact him and get them to post here.
You -- and everybody else -- should know that I post visitor comments only verbatim and in context.
Maybe just list the amps that will not work with it?
And not every amp that ill work with them.
Low powered SETs might be on that list…
Incorrect. And I am not referring to the specific brands you chose but the theme of presenting a high res powerful SS amp as more resolution than a SET. I have heard a few systems with Boulder 2160 including comparing the amp, and while it is a high resolution amp, the system resolution has always been quite poor compared to good analog playing through a low watt set into highly efficient speakers with simple crossovers. Because the latter is more closer to straight wire as compared to putting loads of junk in the middle of the signal path
For sure. But how can I list amps that will not work with them if I have not heard the combination in question?
Yes, I agree. As much as I love the Viva Aurora, Lamm ML3 and Absolare PSET (845 x 2) -- let alone sub-20 watt amps -- I never took any action to try them.
But I love these kinds of amplifiers, and the MastersounD in design gets me pretty close (845 x 4 PSET).
Most people would likely use some specs.
OK - so that was either explicitly knowing that the output was too low, or just a feeling?
OK
agree.
flow, nuance and note completion is enhanced by more pure simpler signal paths. some solid state can certainly deliver lots of authority and weight. but over time some prefer when the musical flow triumphs over the slightly strangling 'artifacts' of heavy weight circuits. these are matters of taste and preference. no one correct choice. the question is the musical immersion and connection over time. not the quick take.
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