Sorry to disturb you - you had clearly posted a clear objective claim that triggered my interest and unfortunately you failed to prove. I will leave the thread now - I do not enter subjective debates of tweaks.
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Sorry to disturb you - you had clearly posted a clear objective claim that triggered my interest and unfortunately you failed to prove. I will leave the thread now - I do not enter subjective debates of tweaks.
No worries, and thanks for jumping in. Maybe one day you’ll stumble across a chance to try our Veridion technology—it might give you a better feel for what people are talking about. Either way, I appreciate your interest, and wish you all the best on your audio/video journey.
Not sure if it helps at all, but this is the YouTube video the snapshot’s from. You can jump to around 3:40.
I had forgotten about this when I did a quick A/B a few days ago. Listening to the 2 QSA cables I had in my system/swapping them out and listening again. Found the difference to be more minimal than what I heard originally.
Have to agree with Anas with movement and static picture. Easy to notice with movement: lovely colours and increased detail with much less blurring, blooming etc. When you hit pause, you realize how much the picture is benefiting from the QSAL cables. It's not subtle.
My TV sends 24-48 to the DAC, and although I do hear some improvement in the sound from the IPTV boxes, I need to try a 4k Blu-ray one of these days.
I'm at ~525 hours on the DC extensions.
I can usually tell when still in the burn-in stage as I'll either have to raise or lower the volume compared to my standard setting. Today I'm turning up the volume a bit so I know I'm not done yet but it feels like I'm getting close. Sound quality continues to improve and the swings are becoming shorter and less dramatic over time--not that they were offensive in the first place. I'm comfortable saying the overall SQ level has surpassed my starting point. All the good pre-Veridion attributes are there, with the addition of the Veridion goodness we know and love.
It's these points in the burn-in stage that have me excited for what's to come, both as the DC extensions reach final form and as I continue to build out my Veridion Discovery loom.
I can usually tell when still in the burn-in stage as I'll either have to raise or lower the volume compared to my standard setting. Today I'm turning up the volume a bit so I know I'm not done yet but it feels like I'm getting close. Sound quality continues to improve and the swings are becoming shorter and less dramatic over time--not that they were offensive in the first place. I'm comfortable saying the overall SQ level has surpassed my starting point. All the good pre-Veridion attributes are there, with the addition of the Veridion goodness we know and love.
It's these points in the burn-in stage that have me excited for what's to come, both as the DC extensions reach final form and as I continue to build out my Veridion Discovery loom.
I have a high end JVC projector in my theater room. I am using a Veridion Power cord into a silver jitterplug. I am able to see the pores on people's faces and watching sports is more vibrant.
I’m trying to better understand the very long burn-in times that some users report. Could it be that what we perceive as “burn-in” is related to the same behaviour we see with Veridion’s lingering effect and its ability to reduce interference and stabilise the system?
In other words, is Veridion continuously settling or adapting as it removes more interference upstream, and does the system itself reveal more micro-changes as the noise floor keeps dropping? I’m not making assumptions — just trying to understand whether these long burn-in reports fit into the same overall Veridion behaviour you’ve described earlier.
In other words, is Veridion continuously settling or adapting as it removes more interference upstream, and does the system itself reveal more micro-changes as the noise floor keeps dropping? I’m not making assumptions — just trying to understand whether these long burn-in reports fit into the same overall Veridion behaviour you’ve described earlier.
That’s correct. That’s what I mean when I say the cables are carriers of the Veridion technology—the impact they have on music and video goes way beyond what “conventional” cables can do, no matter the price.
Hi Anas, just to clarify my earlier question. I’m not talking about ongoing burn-in or changing cables. What I’m really trying to understand is this:
If someone has a Veridion loom and nothing in the chain is changed, then the system should be considered “fully burned in” in the normal sense. But because each Veridion cable affects the whole loom, removing or adding even one — especially upstream — shifts the balance again. So for example 600+ hours burn-in can only be judged when the entire chain remains unchanged.
I guess my real question is whether it’s normal that users still perceive small changes over time after the system has fully stabilised. Not because of burn-in, but because interference in a home environment is never constant — and Veridion lowers the noise floor enough that these micro-variations may now become audible.
Is this simply part of how Veridion behaves?
If someone has a Veridion loom and nothing in the chain is changed, then the system should be considered “fully burned in” in the normal sense. But because each Veridion cable affects the whole loom, removing or adding even one — especially upstream — shifts the balance again. So for example 600+ hours burn-in can only be judged when the entire chain remains unchanged.
I guess my real question is whether it’s normal that users still perceive small changes over time after the system has fully stabilised. Not because of burn-in, but because interference in a home environment is never constant — and Veridion lowers the noise floor enough that these micro-variations may now become audible.
Is this simply part of how Veridion behaves?
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PS. When folks talk about 600+ hours of burn-in, it’s good to remember how that adds up in real life. Unless music is playing 24/7, reaching that number takes months. Even at 6 hours a day — already quite a lot — 600 hours is more than three months. So some “very long burn-in” reports may simply come down to how the hours are counted.
When I had observed long burn-in times previously, it was with Antipodes servers where I could have sworn that I heard a step change way past when I should have expected to. It wasn’t something that I could have claimed with absolute certainty as it was impossible to A/B against how things had sounded just before that step change occurred. I suspect this is true in nearly every case where some believes they may have heard a further improvement after a very long time. As such, it really doesn’t make any sense to over-analyze it. I think when users report it, they are simply letting others know more goodness might be experienced down the road or maybe not, depending on one’s circumstances.
I imagine you will still have many more questions about this so you can continue to achieve your goal of asking Anas more questions than the rest of us combined. Not sure you have any risk there as I figure it will take years for the rest of us combined to catch up.
Burn-in improvements follow an exponential curve—big jumps at first, then the changes get more and more subtle, until they’re basically too small to notice and things level out.
Fwiw when I've referenced burn in hours, it's based on days since insertion into the system. I have music playing most of the time, but there have been nights, days etc where they've simply been plugged in and powered on. It's just a general relation of experience vs time--I'm not meticulously logging hours.
Most of my other Discovery cables got burned in on outside of the system for a few hundred hours, but I was impatient and excited for the DC extensions so I put them all in right away.
Most of my other Discovery cables got burned in on outside of the system for a few hundred hours, but I was impatient and excited for the DC extensions so I put them all in right away.
I am probably in the minority, but burn-in for me has been quick. I agree with Anas that I could hear and feel the impact within 20-30 hours, and over time it became more refined. One thing I did do was to place my Veridion Power strip on my Wine fridge for about 10 days to burn in. There are many ways like that, that you could accelerate the burn-in time.
Thanks, that helps. And just to be clear, I’m not hunting for another magical burn-in milestone. I’m only trying to understand whether those small shifts are normal after burn-in, simply as part of how Veridion reacts to changing upstream noise (upstream noise isn’t constant).When I had observed long burn-in times previously, it was with Antipodes servers where I could have sworn that I heard a step change way past when I should have expected to. It wasn’t something that I could have claimed with absolute certainty as it was impossible to A/B against how things had sounded just before that step change occurred. I suspect this is true in nearly every case where some believes they may have heard a further improvement after a very long time. As such, it really doesn’t make any sense to over-analyze it. I think when users report it, they are simply letting others know more goodness might be experienced down the road or maybe not, depending on one’s circumstances.
I imagine you will still have many more questions about this so you can continue to achieve your goal of asking Anas more questions than the rest of us combined. Not sure you have any risk there as I figure it will take years for the rest of us combined to catch up.
Anas has mentioned a few times that upstream matters most , for example, that improvements “flow downstream,” that the router often has the largest impact, and that cables show short “residual effects” when swapped. Taken together, it seems reasonable that Veridion may make upstream micro-variations more audible, rather than this being additional burn-in.
I promise I’m not trying to win any “Most Questions Asked in One Thread” awards.
For those of you who are using the power strip...do you plug your amp (along with digital devices) into it? Should I?
As I have a very simple system with just an integrated, a streamer, and a DAC, I'm debating if I should plug all into the power strip. Just received my order of a power strip and a few power cables. @QSA-LANEDRI (Anas)...thoughts?
Thanks
As I have a very simple system with just an integrated, a streamer, and a DAC, I'm debating if I should plug all into the power strip. Just received my order of a power strip and a few power cables. @QSA-LANEDRI (Anas)...thoughts?
Thanks
You can plug your entire audio setup into the Discovery Veridion power strip, including the amplifier.
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