QSA LANEDRI Series

[seeteeyou]

Take local playback as an example. For a while, it gave us lower noise compared to streaming. But once we dropped the overall noise floor, the noise from reading files off the SSD and the extra CPU activity started to show up. At that stage, streaming Redbook actually felt more “alive” than listening to streaming upscaled or remastered files.

That reminded me quite a few things

https://quantum-science-audio.com/what-new?

qsa software remove file inside digital sound element,offer analog playback even in 16bit 44.1k file

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...nto-musical-immersion/page/4/#comment-1306374

The transparency brought by DPDK made the upsampling simply redundant.

https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/revi...y-play-novel-software-remarkable-sound-r1350/

I agree with @SwissBear who commented in the AS forum that with playback using Diretta DPDKMemoryPlay, the improvement previously obtained when using files upsampled using PGGB is no longer an appreciable effect and results better than the sound of either PGGB'd or unprocessed files without Diretta DPDKMemoryPlay can now be obtained using just the original files.

https://www.whatsbestforum.com/goto/post?id=932646

I am (literally) guessing that the lower noise floors @Taiko Audio has now achieved are shifting the balance, with there being more noise from the higher sample rates of data been shuffled round? It could of course be to do with some aspect of the PGGB upsampling algorithms / process now being revealed.

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Though I still wanna find an "ideal" device that would provide enough room for storing some Redbook files while using it as my NAS, so far the closest one seemed to be this particular streamer (based on a modified Raspberry Pi 5) with an OCXO inside the chassis

https://pingjia.taobao.com/VHN5MU5BTWY4dG5ZczVBT0xOTDlVUT09.html

Their "base" model with 2GB of RAM would actually cost 1,980 RMB (just under 280 bucks) and therefore simply ignore any inflated prices as follows

https://parcelup.com/shop/item.php?id=954720567106#6045414002594
https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/201755970/O1CN01ERFLPD1tyJafjA65O_!!201755970.jpg

They're even removing the clock of that optional 1TB NVMe SSD so that would be connected to the same OCXO, something similar (with Crystek CCHD-957) turned out to be superior to Intel Optane 905P already

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...gned-for-audiophiles/page/10/#comment-1245543

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There's a similar streamer available from the same manufacturer (Ustars Audio) and it's so immensely popular in France to the point where the entire forum thread became a sticky one

https://forum--hifi-fr.translate.goog/thread-34488.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Even owners of MSB Select 2 and dCS Vivaldi etc. would take the plunge, no kidding

https://forum--hifi-fr.translate.goog/thread-23453.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://patatorz.com/2025/04/12/presentation-du-serveur-maison-base-sotm-et-de-son-ecosysteme-2/

And then I was happy to find out how much that's gonna cost

https://twitter.com/x/status/1418750302228926466

https://community.frame.work/t/raspberry-pi-compute-module-5-cm5-carrier-board/60981/12

For prototyping, I used JLCPCB and it was ~$600 for 5pcs, including shipping.
It’s equal to $120 per board.
But for 100+ bulk PCBA, the unit cost drops down to $35 ~ $50.

That's a far cry from this quote from Taiwan when @romaz was working on his own x86 motherboard back in 2017, of course it wouldn't be a fair comparison by any means

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...uter-audio-streaming/page/153/#comment-724987

DFI was willing to design a motherboard for me to my specifications, however, it would have cost $1,500 minimum to get the project off the ground.

Personally my dream would be one day we'll get our hands on something that's similar to Telos Enchanting Music Player

https://www.hifireport.com/elos-emp-review/

Thankfully great things really don't have to cost THAT much these days, and that's pretty much like what the most recent discussions are all about.

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Hopefully members from the original Slack group wouldn't get (too?) mad after reading this reply, LOL

 

[Kingsrule]

I was going to say something about that, but didn’t want to discourage trying. Oh, for the days when Harry Pearson ran things.

Until he started taking ads......

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Hopefully members from the original Slack group wouldn't get (too?) mad after reading this reply, LOL

No hard feelings when done in the pursuit of better music reproduction. I have been a fan of QSAL cables and use them, and I am waiting on the Olympus. When some sources of noise go down, it exposes other deficiencies. It does not suddenly make higher rate formats obsolete; it just creates a new challenge to be overcome through hardware or software or both.

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

That reminded me quite a few things

https://quantum-science-audio.com/what-new?


https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...nto-musical-immersion/page/4/#comment-1306374


https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/revi...y-play-novel-software-remarkable-sound-r1350/


https://www.whatsbestforum.com/goto/post?id=932646

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Here’s another analogy showing how our cables reshape the music experience between local playback and streaming.

Before :
The audio system is like looking through a slightly dirty window. The highest resolution sources (local hi-res) were like having a super-detailed picture behind that window, the extra detail helped you see through the imperfections.

After :
The window becomes cleaner, and the closer the setup is to a true end-to-end connection with our power and signal cables, the cleaner it is. Suddenly, you realize that the super-detailed picture was actually too perfect, it looked artificial. The regular picture (Redbook streaming) now looks more natural and realistic because it wasn't over-processed.

We consider our cables as s a transporter of our technology. Veridion helps achieve unprecedented levels of signal purity and integrity and with that Redbook streaming emerges as the most musically engaging source, its 16-bit/44.1kHz foundation revealing previously masked virtues including organic timing variations, natural dither patterns, and temporal authenticity that create a remarkably lifelike presentation. Also, the real-time nature of Redbook streaming introduces subtle, musically coherent timing irregularities that mimic live performance.

While High-resolution streaming offers technical excellence but it results in less emotional impact than Redbook, as the additional data no longer serves to mask system shortcomings but instead highlights the over-processed nature of the source material. This becomes apparent when the setup lowers the noise floor to a minimal level while preserving signal integrity.

Similar results are experienced when using the Discovery Veridion power strip compared to other power conditioners, regardless of how high-end they may be. The Discovery Veridion delivers a more vibrant and emotionally engaging experience across both audio and video systems.

Though I still wanna find an "ideal" device that would provide enough room for storing some Redbook files while using it as my NAS, so far the closest one seemed to be this particular streamer (based on a modified Raspberry Pi 5) with an OCXO inside the chassis

https://pingjia.taobao.com/VHN5MU5BTWY4dG5ZczVBT0xOTDlVUT09.html

Their "base" model with 2GB of RAM would actually cost 1,980 RMB (just under 280 bucks) and therefore simply ignore any inflated prices as follows

https://parcelup.com/shop/item.php?id=954720567106#6045414002594
https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/201755970/O1CN01ERFLPD1tyJafjA65O_!!201755970.jpg

They're even removing the clock of that optional 1TB NVMe SSD so that would be connected to the same OCXO, something similar (with Crystek CCHD-957) turned out to be superior to Intel Optane 905P already

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...gned-for-audiophiles/page/10/#comment-1245543

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The best results we’ve achieved in our laboratory so far come from streaming Redbook files through services like Qobuz or Tidal. Achieving similar performance from a local NAS streaming would be challenging, due to the noise associated with those components.

Hopefully members from the original Slack group wouldn't get (too?) mad after reading this reply, LOL

Our Slack group is fueled by the shared goal of improving our listening sessions. The ideas that evolved into a business were simply an effort to share these discoveries with the community and secure the resources needed to push the boundaries of R&D.

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

No hard feelings when done in the pursuit of better music reproduction. I have been a fan of QSAL cables and use them, and I am waiting on the Olympus. When some sources of noise go down, it exposes other deficiencies. It does not suddenly make higher rate formats obsolete; it just creates a new challenge to be overcome through hardware or software or both.

An experience on my to-do list is streaming PGGB-processed files from the cloud and comparing them with Redbook streaming. While PGGB files are challenging to stream due to their large size, this approach is the right way to ensure an accurate comparison by eliminating other factors such as NAS noise.

 

[Di-fi]

Also, the real-time nature of Redbook streaming introduces subtle, musically coherent timing irregularities that mimic live performance.

do you mean that these tiny timing variations naturally occur during network streaming due to packet delivery, processing, and buffering? And in a highly resolved, very low-noise system (like one fully Veridion-treated), these micro-timing variations become audible as subtle musical nuances, giving a perception similar to the slight timing fluctuations of a live performance?

In other words, the “imperfections” are a byproduct of the streaming process itself, not the digital file, and the system’s clarity allows them to be perceived musically rather than as distortion.

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

In other words, the “imperfections” are a byproduct of the streaming process itself, not the digital file, and the system’s clarity allows them to be perceived musically rather than as distortion.

You've hit the nail on the head. Your understanding is correct.

Yes, the micro-timing variations are a natural byproduct of the real-time data flow during streaming. Without our technology, these variations are typically a liability. They interact with the electrical noise and jitter inherent in the system's components and cables, creating a blurring or harshness that we perceive as a "digital" sound. This is why predictable data delivery of a local file often sounds preferable, it introduces fewer chaotic variables.

Our cables change this relationship entirely. They don't create these timing nuances; they transform the system's ability to resolve them.

Think of it this way: A noisy system is like a crowded, loud room. If someone is speaking with perfect, robotic rhythm, they are easiest to understand. But if someone speaks with the natural, subtle ebb and flow of human cadence, their message gets lost in the noise.

Our technology creates a "silent room." In this profound silence, that same natural, human cadence is no longer obscured, it's revealed as the key to emotional connection. The "imperfect," fluid timing of the streaming process is no longer distorted by the system. Instead, it is faithfully preserved and delivered, and our brains interpret this fluidity not as an error, but as the authentic, non-mechanical texture of a live event.

So, you are right. We are not adding anything. We are removing the system's own grunge and glare to such a degree that the inherent, organic quality of a real-time music stream is no longer masked. The "imperfection" of the process becomes the source of its musical "perfection."

Our cables provide the transparency that reveals why the pure, real-time signal of streaming Redbook, unburdened by storage noise, delivers the most authentic musical experience.

This is a breakthrough made possible by our technology. Just a few years ago, the following ranking, from worst to best musical experience, would have been hard to believe.

1. Local Redbook Files: Suffers most from storage/access noise with no benefit of high-resolution data, resulting in a compressed and lifeless sound.
2. Local Hi-Res Files: While offering more detail, it remains fundamentally constrained by storage noise and the sterile, mathematical nature of offline processing.
3. Streaming Hi-Res Files: Avoids the noise of local storage, but its higher data rate often leads to over-processing, creating a technically impressive but emotionally cold presentation.
4. Streaming Redbook Files: The ideal combination: free from local storage noise and possessing the organic, fluid timing of a real-time data stream, making it the most musically engaging and authentic source.

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

When I refer to Hi-Res files, I mean both the Hi-Res tracks and the remastered albums offered by Qobuz and Tidal, whether streamed online or downloaded for offline playback. For these, we carried out an apples-to-apples comparison against Redbook files, since both formats can be streamed. My conclusion: while Hi-Res often aims for a ‘more transparent’ presentation with more data than Redbook, and may even sound better at first, once the setup reaches a low noise floor, the trade-off becomes apparent. These so-called upgrades often sound more sterile compared to Redbook streaming.

When it comes to PGGB remastering, the remastering itself is nothing short of brilliant. That said, playing these files locally introduces storage noise that compromises the overall experience. Before I managed to lower the noise floor in my setup, I found myself listening almost exclusively to PGGB’ed files, everything else felt unlistenable by comparison. I even invested in a dedicated server to handle the offline PGGB remastering, and I remember being impatient for each process to finish, as every single song felt like a brand-new discovery.

If it ever became feasible to stream PGGB’ed files directly, I believe it would mark a completely new milestone in musical reproduction, combining the genius of PGGB upsampling with the freedom from local storage noise.

 

[wil]

Is the base power cable used on Discovery shielded?

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

Is the base power cable used on Discovery shielded?

No, the base Monoprice power cable is not shielded. It is this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Heavy-Duty-Power-Cord/dp/B07NF9RJTP?th=1

 

[seeteeyou]

If it ever became feasible to stream PGGB’ed files directly, I believe it would mark a completely new milestone in musical reproduction, combining the genius of PGGB upsampling with the freedom from local storage noise.

Let's see, TIDAL should be hosting FLAC files on Amazon CloudFront (sp-pr-cf.audio.tidal.com) as follows

https://forum.wiimhome.com/threads/tv-display.4708/page-7#post-106009
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tidal-not-working-too-many-failures/260262/18
https://forums.lyrion.org/forum/use...-tidal-users-changes-ahead/page18#post1447405

If we're just streaming from cloud storage, wouldn't that be fairly simple with stuff like this?

https://www.foobar2000.org/changelog
https://www.foobar2000.org/changelog-mac

Can natively index FTP/WebDAV/SMB network shares.

[iOS] add cloud storage connection,such as OneDrive, Google Drive, Alipan, Baidu
https://hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?msg=1053639

But I've also found that a Koofr account works well (koofr.eu). This storage provider allows to connect a OneDrive, Google Drive, or Dropbox account, and access them using Koofr's WebDAV interface: https://app.koofr.net/help/webdav
You don't have to pay for Koofr to use it as a bridge, I think right now there's no limit on the amount of data used, and I haven't noticed any major slowdowns either (I'm in Asia)

There are also other providers that offer a WebDAV interface, like Hetzner and FileLu.

https://www.reddit.com/r/foobar2000/comments/1f59rgw/stream_from_your_own_nextcloud_instance_to_foobar

Basically that's fine with Windows / macOS / iOS / Android as shown above.

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Since Big Tech companies have no respect for privacy whatsoever, we might wanna look somewhere else

https://whatbox.ca/wiki#sharing_your_slot_with_others
https://wiki.evoseedbox.com/beginners-guide-to-nextcloud

Monthly costs of HDD Plans as an example

https://whatbox.ca/plans

$15 for 3.9 TB storage / 10 TB upload
$22 for 5.9 TB storage / 15 TB upload
$36 for 9.9 TB storage / 20 TB upload

https://whatbox.ca/faq#download-limit

Do you offer unlimited download traffic?

Yes! Downloading files to your slot's hard drive is completely unlimited.

https://whatbox.ca/faq#upload-limit-exclusions

What counts towards my upload traffic limit?

All upload traffic counts except for the following applications:

• FTP (on port 21) and SSH/SFTP (on port 22)
• HTTPS from pre-provided directories
• OpenVPN
• Plex
• Jellyfin

That sounds quite generous to me, no need to worry about the traffic on both directions.

 

[nonesup]

With the Discovery Series, we’ve got to balance a few constraints: wire gauge, order volume, and price.


Thank you for the suggestion. That would mean changing the current Discovery Series shipping process, where cost plays a central role.

We prioritize all factors that impacts music and video quality, which leaves only a small margin for all the other elements.

€6.80 on Amazon. It's selling for €250. I don't think having 2.1 and 2.5 is financially impossible.

 

[flowcharts]

Availability may play a factor here. When the DC cable was first announced, I started searching around Amazon for the equivalent female to male 14awg dc extension cable, and couldn't find one.

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

€6.80 on Amazon. It's selling for €250. I don't think having 2.1 and 2.5 is financially impossible.

Price, wire gauge, availability, and economies of scale are among the key criteria for the Discovery Series.

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

We’re excited to announce to the vinyl-enthusiast community the upcoming release of the Discovery Veridion Phono Cable with Ground Wire, now open for preorder at a price of $250. Shipping is scheduled to begin by mid-November 2025.

The base cable is a custom cable manufactured by World’s Best Cables, whose craftsmanship and consistency have impressed us. We’re extremely pleased with the quality and performance of their work.

Pre-orders are now open, and quantities for the first production run are limited.
https://www.qsa-lanedri.com/product-page/discovery-veridion-phono-cable-with-ground-wire

 

[Basillus7]

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We’re excited to announce to the vinyl-enthusiast community the upcoming release of the Discovery Veridion Phono Cable with Ground Wire, now open for preorder at a price of $250. Shipping is scheduled to begin by mid-November 2025.

The base cable is a custom cable manufactured by World’s Best Cables, whose craftsmanship and consistency have impressed us. We’re extremely pleased with the quality and performance of their work.

Pre-orders are now open, and quantities for the first production run are limited.
https://www.qsa-lanedri.com/product-page/discovery-veridion-phono-cable-with-ground-wire

Interesting...but now both of my turntables have no chassis rca females, as their rca cable is either connected to a 5 pin din connector for the tonearm cables or soldered together with the tonearm cables.
So either I have to use your "vinyl cable" by removing the rca plugs at the turntable end or mount chassis rca females on the turntables in some way... that will not be as direct as the existing connection…hmm.

This cable can also be used between a riaa and a preamp,
but here the effect may not be as great, since it is further away from the turntable?

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

Interesting...but now both of my turntables have no chassis rca females, as their rca cable is either connected to a 5 pin din connector for the tonearm cables or soldered together with the tonearm cables.
So either I have to use your "vinyl cable" by removing the rca plugs at the turntable end or mount chassis rca females on the turntables in some way... that will not be as direct as the existing connection…hmm.

An adaptor will need to be used for the DIN plug.

This cable can also be used between a riaa and a preamp,

Yes.

but here the effect may not be as great, since it is further away from the turntable?

It represents a step forward in achieving an end-to-end connection with our cables. The full potential of our technology is realized when our cables are used throughout the entire power and signal chain. Each additional cable added to the system reveals more of the setup potential.

 

[Three quid]

Clearly Intended for phono use, but I’m wondering how it performs in other RCA applications — say, on dac output or between pre and power?

 

[adamaley]

Clearly Intended for phono use, but I’m wondering how it performs in other RCA applications — say, on dac output or between pre and power?

Same here

 

[QSA-LANEDRI]

Clearly Intended for phono use, but I’m wondering how it performs in other RCA applications — say, on dac output or between pre and power?

The RCA cables are currently in development.