QSA LANEDRI Series

Hi Steven,
Very glad yo see that there is a QSA Forum on WBF.
Congratulations!

QSA : My take on their expensive products

Threre has been another WBF thread on QSA fuses for some weeks already, but I still want to share with WBF brothers my personal audition/comparison experience. Disclaimer : I am NOT in anyway in the music/hifi industry in Hong Kong. I am only an audiophile and consumer. All WBF brothers who...

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I think I wrote the first QSA review on WBF, back in 2012.

QSA : My take on their expensive products

Threre has been another WBF thread on QSA fuses for some weeks already, but I still want to share with WBF brothers my personal audition/comparison experience. Disclaimer : I am NOT in anyway in the music/hifi industry in Hong Kong. I am only an audiophile and consumer. All WBF brothers who...

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May I ask you two questions?

Firstly, I notice on you website that QSA-Lanedri cables are being launched.

HOME | QSA LANEDRI

www.qsa-lanedri.com

May you tell us more about them?
What metals are employed and what special features do they have?

Secondly, several frds of mine in Hong Kong have bought QSA JitterPower.


Again, please tell the WBF members more about these series of accessories.

Many thanks!

Cheers,
CK

 

Aside from what we hear through our systems, or read about in the linear notes, if we have them, virtually none of us has a clue what was done in the studio (same with live performances, unless one was present). And what’s done in the studio is commonly artificial, not an individual or group sitting down and playing together, but pieces of performance compiled, with lots of physical sound adjusters helping out. And then re-engineered by human and machine and recording format. Much as we’d like it not to be the case, the idea of “recreating just what it was like in the studio” is a myth, an illusion and delusion. A home reproduction system — different studio — is an entertainment system that calls for different parameters to induce emotional involvement, including of individual hearing and tastes. A different illusion.

Reproducing studio recordings with accuracy represents one of the most complex challenges in audio engineering, requiring a truly holistic approach to the entire reproduction chain. Attempting to pursue this goal objectively through scientific measurement adds another layer of complexity, as the current state-of-the-art in audio measurement may not yet be sophisticated enough to fully capture what we hear and feel during musical reproduction.

With our technology, we have developed the ability to alter conductors in ways that directly impact audio and video reproduction. After countless testing iterations, we have refined our methods to precisely shape the influence of conductors to achieve specific targets in sound and image quality.

When it came to defining these targets, we made a deliberate choice: to introduce no coloration or added flavor from our side. This is what we refer to as the pursuit of "authentic truth" through the Veridion technology. The proprietary nature of our technology presents a unique communication challenge. Since we cannot elaborate on the technical mechanisms behind Veridion, we must focus instead on demonstrating its impact through actual musical performance.

The products we offer have consistently elevated our own musical experiences through extensive testing and refinement. We bring them to market with the confidence that comes from this rigorous development process, believing that our users will find them equally satisfying and transformative for their own listening experiences. We stand behind this conviction with our full money-back guarantee.

 

...the codes and values used in the US (NEC) were not intended for laypersons. They are intended for use by tradesmen and engineers, although anyone can learn the parlance/rules. They reference AWG as a convenience of their nomenclature, for ordering, purchasing, communicating, etc.

Of course, a wire's AWG size corresponds to its amperage capacity, not its physical size per se, which an electrician would know. Typically, wire/cable is selected for its application, only part of which is its current capacity.

He would also know corresponding rules, like how it must be fastened, or passed through supporting structures, indoor or outdoor use, caustic environments...the list goes on. Including what size hole to drill.

If one went to the electrical supply store and asked for some 12 gauge wire, they would laugh (at least) and they would know you didn't really know what you were talking about.

Over time, certain wire have become generalized as, perhaps "range cable" or 8-gauge copper ground wire, # 12 Romex, 10 gauge THHN, service entrance cable, etc.

Electricians here use solid core and may refer to it by diameter, but the test certificate will record every cable by amperage and resistance/impedance. The voltage is of course known. I’m used to this. I was with my builder yesterday at two properties, one needs to be completely stripped and redone starting in a couple of weeks. He will do everything, but I use a specialist electrical firm who will get everything up to spec and file the test certificate, and probably leave a big mess. I have a house to redo in LA soon, not been touched in many years, no doubt I will find out about Romex. We are divided once again by a common language.

 

If a cable can’t reproduce a warm recording as such, then it’s colored. And the converse. There’s no such thing as flexible voicing. Therein lies part of the myth about accurate representation of what went on in the recording studio or live performance as rendered by a cable or piece of gear. You have to make choices about voicing and those who like it are attracted, and those who don’t look elsewhere for different voicing. I take claims about absolute accuracy as marketing.

 

If a cable can’t reproduce a warm recording as such, then it’s colored. And the converse. There’s no such thing as flexible voicing. Therein lies part of the myth about accurate representation of what went on in the recording studio or live performance as rendered by a cable or piece of gear. You have to make choices about voicing and those who like it are attracted, and those who don’t look elsewhere for different voicing. The stuff about absolute accuracy is just marketing.

This is precisely why we created this dedicated forum, to bring together everyone curious enough to experience our products and share their genuine reactions. Whether you love or dislike the impact on your music, we want to hear about it. What specifically moved you? What didn't work for your system or preferences? Why did certain aspects resonate while others didn't? These detailed experiences create an enriching dialogue that benefits our entire community.

My personal journey began as an audiophile continuously seeking to elevate my musical experience. I was genuinely astonished by the impact of a QSA fuse on my system's performance. This discovery led Roy and me to explore an intriguing question: what would happen if we applied QSA treatment to cables? The results exceeded our expectations. We loved what we heard, and naturally began sharing these QSA-treated cables within our private audiophile network. The enthusiastic response from fellow music lovers inspired me to create this brand, transforming what started as personal experimentation into a way of sharing this joy with audiophiles everywhere.

 

This is precisely why we created this dedicated forum, to bring together everyone curious enough to experience our products and share their genuine reactions. Whether you love or dislike the impact on your music, we want to hear about it. What specifically moved you? What didn't work for your system or preferences? Why did certain aspects resonate while others didn't? These detailed experiences create an enriching dialogue that benefits our entire community.

My personal journey began as an audiophile continuously seeking to elevate my musical experience. I was genuinely astonished by the impact of a QSA fuse on my system's performance. This discovery led Roy and me to explore an intriguing question: what would happen if we applied QSA treatment to cables? The results exceeded our expectations. We loved what we heard, and naturally began sharing these QSA-treated cables within our private audiophile network. The enthusiastic response from fellow music lovers inspired me to create this brand, transforming what started as personal experimentation into a way of sharing this joy with audiophiles everywhere.

While the voicing doesn’t work for me, I’m grateful for your approach to dealing with customers.

 

The design of a $40 block is bad...

I'm curious why you would suggest we treat it?

a $10 block worse.

No doubt. At that price, quality of parts and construction will likely be subpar, however, at least it wouldn't contain cheap surge protection.

Not having surge protection is a really bad idea, especially with servers and streamers, because a standard slow blow fuse and the circuit breaker (with compliant earth loop impedance) is no guarantee that your hifi may not get fried. I’ve experienced a hard drive get fried by a surge, since when I use UPS blocks on all my computers and servers.

In my case, in my former home, I used a whole house surge protector installed in parallel with my panel where it is not in the direct path of my audio components. Secondarily, I also used a Shunyata Defender.



This is a device that behaves similarly as a parallel device rather than being in series with your components where it could potentially function as a resistor. You plug it anywhere in your circuit. These are not safeguards against a direct lightning strike and so during electrical storms, I unplug everything. When it comes to critical data, I make sure to have redundant backups including to the cloud. But to incorporate a cheap MOV surge protector in a power strip, I would rather avoid something like that.

mat technology is to bring audio and video products quality to top level in short time.
The world 's first metal molecular activation technology
So that metal molecules into the "smooth state"
Reduce the resistance, enhance the electronic flow in the conductor speed,
@speed up electron running speed per second@.
So as to enhance the performance of any audio products
any audio products remain 70% potential come out ,even you are daily use of cable cooker.
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QSA won't like what I have to say about this but I'll say it anyway. I'm not sure I understand any of those comments. Part of it is the language barrier and part of it is Steven's engineering jargon but rather than accept or reject what he has to say, I maintain an agnostic stance. I have no way of knowing whether his claims are true or not but my ears and eyes consistently tell me his treatments have a very audible and visible effect, easily evident even during blind testing. If this was a scam, I don't think QSA or QSA Lanedri would still be in business. I certainly wouldn't align myself or my reputation to something that I thought wasn't credible.

Just sticking to the one line I’ve highlighted, this goes to your comments about a preference for thick gauge wire. If you increase the gauge you increase the capacity to carry current.

You've misinterpreted what I've said. We prefer large gauge wire because it amplifies the effects of our treatment, not because it increases the capacity to carry current.

This is the cable I purchased to run between the consumer unit and hi-fi socket.
16 x Neotech NEP-4003 UP-OFC Copper Silver plated Mains Cable (0.5m) - £242.88 (£15.18 each)
The choice was determined by it being very flexible, which was important, it has a drain wire and is rated at 27A. According to the spec sheet it is equivalent to 13 AWG.

Sticking to rationalism (now that this discussion has turned philosophical), this cable will always be capable of carrying 27A of charge. There’s nothing mystical, philosophical or magical about that. The cable complies with the electrical code. My hi-fi system at peak output would only draw about 9A, so I can plug it all into one socket and in that regard this cable is more than sufficient. In my rational world, there are no circumstances under which this cable will ever be current limiting.

What you're suggesting really has nothing to do with QSA. It is an age-old question in audio. Yes, 13AWG is adequate for the sake of complying with electrical code in your country and yes, it can adequately and safely pass current to power your audio system but does that mean your SQ doesn't improve if you go with larger gauge wire? Here is what Vince Galbo of MSB has to say about using larger gauge wire for audio. Vince has nothing to do with QSA:

Vince Galbo of MSB Technology - How to Get a Perfect 10 For The Power to Your Stereo - Audiophile Foundation

Audio and Video Wall Power Line Installation Procedures updated 3/30/2022 by Vince Galbo of MSB Click on the link below to read the entire article in PDF format, or scroll down to read below. Dedicated line installation 3 2022 Audio and Video Wall Power L

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To further support this, feel free to ask Shunyata why they manufacture a 4awg mains cable or Sablon Audio why they manufacture a 5awg mains cable when a 13awg would be more than adequate. On that note, why not ask Gryphon why they manufacture an amplifier capable of 1690 watts of output when our speakers will likely never need that kind of power?

Then you'll need to look in the mirror. Why did you choose to go with UP-OFC or silver-plated wire when much less expensive wire can adequately pass current to power your system?

Call me a troll, ban me from this forum for life, I don’t really care.

Just stay respectful and respect our desire to stay on topic, that this is a sponsored thread about QSA-Lanedri products and we're fine.

Concluding philosophically, empiricism (cable A sounds better than capable B) is not knowledge without a rational theory to explain it. With respect, QSA has never provided a rational theory (which would be based on the laws of physics) about anything.

We all aspire to be rational thinkers but experience is just as important and informs and shapes rational thought. You really need both and I'm sure you believe that to be the case since the audiophile journey is very much experiential. None of us choose speakers primarily based on their frequency response measurements or an amplifier because of its THD specs. If you believe you already know how something sounds before the needle has even hit the groove, there's really not much more I can say. It seems you have already pre-judged us to be some sort of a scam but I do hope you one day give our products a fair shot.

 

If a cable can’t reproduce a warm recording as such, then it’s colored. And the converse. There’s no such thing as flexible voicing. Therein lies part of the myth about accurate representation of what went on in the recording studio or live performance as rendered by a cable or piece of gear. You have to make choices about voicing and those who like it are attracted, and those who don’t look elsewhere for different voicing. I take claims about absolute accuracy as marketing.

This is well said. I interpret "neutrality" or "transparency" as lacking color or influence. But for a conductor or a cable to be truly invisible or to have no influence at all, R, L, and C all have to be zero. As we know, superconductors in audio don't exist and so ALL conductors and hence, audio equipment add color to the sound and there is nothing that is truly neutral.

As for accuracy versus realism, these are also very controversial topics. Some look at accuracy in terms of specs and so solid state gear are often classified as being very accurate because they measure well. The tube crowd will counter that tubes sound more real, that they provide the breath of life that is devoid in solid state and yet as we know, with tubes, we are looking at comparatively higher amounts of harmonic distortion that is responsible for this realism.

Which is better is an unwinnable debate. Perfect sound is like pornography. We can't define it but we individually know it when we see (or hear) it.

 

This is well said. I interpret "neutrality" or "transparency" as lacking color or influence. But for a conductor or a cable to be truly invisible or to have no influence at all, R, L, and C all have to be zero. As we know, superconductors in audio don't exist and so ALL conductors and hence, audio equipment add color to the sound and there is nothing that is truly neutral.

As for accuracy versus realism, these are also very controversial topics. Some look at accuracy in terms of specs and so solid state gear are often classified as being very accurate because they measure well. The tube crowd will counter that tubes sound more real, that they provide the breath of life that is devoid in solid state and yet as we know, with tubes, we are looking at comparatively higher amounts of harmonic distortion that is responsible for this realism.

Which is better is an unwinnable debate. Perfect sound is like pornography. We can't define it but we individually know it when we see (or hear) it.

Part of my maturation after a return to audio gear a dozen years ago was recognizing everyone’s tastes and hearing are different. In that sense there’s no debate to be had. This can be further understood when it’s recognized that 99+% of human behavior is unconscious. For instance, while hearing is an ear-brain relationship, for me at least with audio gear, it’s my visceral, i,e. bodily response that is the decider.

 

I'm curious why you would suggest we treat it?
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We all aspire to be rational thinkers but experience is just as important and informs and shapes rational thought. You really need both and I'm sure you believe that to be the case since the audiophile journey is very much experiential. None of us choose speakers primarily based on their frequency response measurements or an amplifier because of its THD specs. If you believe you already know how something sounds before the needle has even hit the groove, there's really not much more I can say. It seems you have already pre-judged us to be some sort of a scam but I do hope you one day give our products a fair shot.

Thanks for your post.

Having looked at quite a few basic mains distribution boards, none have the basic design requirements that I would consider appropriate for a decent hifi system.

Strangely, SPD's were not required in UK domestic installations. That may have changed in the last 12 months - I've got an electrician booked in on Thursday to quote to rewire an apartment, I'll ask him.

I read what Vince Galbo has to say. For the 6m from my consumer unit to the hifi wall socket, he recommends standard 10AWG. The NEP-4003 has a higher current rating for its thickness and whilst 13AWG by measurement is close to standard 10AWG current capacity. It also has a drain cable, is much more flexible than similar cable (Belden) I used elsewhere for AV and networking gear:

I have a 3-phase 3 x 400v x 100A supply that gives me a total of 69kVA. It's wired as single phase, each line provides 23kVA. The power grid people install this with what looks like 2AWG equivalent cable.

So I have a 23kW line dedicated for the hifi and our car charger, the latter used with cheap rate electricity once a week. This is vastly more power than Vince Galbo suggests is needed or typical. If I had a bigger system I'd have put in more than one feed. My Gryphon amp is able to draw 1,900w, consistent with its 8A fuse, which accounts for most of the demand on the 27A rated power line. So at full power it would draw less than 10% of the line power. I bought that amplifier because of its ability to deal with 2.3 ohms impedance in the mid-bass.

This is what I consider a rational approach. I have far more unrestricted power than I need and a completely separate feed for my hifi from the street. Everything is compliant, tested, certified.

The idea of then needing cables for hifi thicker than the main 23kVA feed to accommodate the QSA-L process at say $100,000 (4 x Ultimatum), 4 times the cost to resupply and rewire my entire house - well, it requires a transition from real world electrics to science fiction. I appreciate the hifi argument about the last 6 feet, but for me what has really counted is the first 10m. Besides @Kingrex who does this for a living, it's what Mr Galbo is advocating.

What I don't get, is if this is such game-changing technology, why are they messing around with hifi and not making a fortune in the electrical distribution industry? Until such time as there is some rational science/engineering, it seems to me a case of audiophile groupthink.

I do disagree with you on specifications. I take them very seriously as a primary filter for choices, prior to subjective listening. My speaker frequency response was a preliminary factor (32Hz -3dB is ideal for me), there is no excuse for DACs not having a low noise floor, my amplifier was specifically chosen for the impedance of my speakers, and most recently with a transimpedance phono stage you can't use a cartridge unless it has internal impedance under about 10 ohms. As I'm not an engineer, it has taken me some time to appreciate what measurements and specifications need paying attention to. It's not all just listening.

 

Not that my opinion matters, but, I really hope this thread isn't derailed into an objectivist/subjectivist debate. Some of the comments above seem to be steering the conversation in that direction.

Everything on the objectivist/subjectivist topic has been discussed ad nauseam all over the place. If you don't believe, don't buy, and you can live convinced your approach to audio is the only correct path. Problem solved.

 

Everything on the objectivist/subjectivist topic has been discussed ad nauseam all over the place. If you don't believe, don't buy, and you can live convinced your approach to audio is the only correct path. Problem solved.

It’s just unfortunate that not everyone is equipped to let their ears decide - and that some respond to that by creating an alternate reality where ears aren’t supposed to play much of a role.

 

I think the scientific approach is very valid, however it is often the case that non-scientist believe a scientific approach is to stick to known facts and reject anything that doesn’t align with our current understanding. Actually scientists are the exact opposite, they can’t wait to demolish the current model and find the missing piece of the puzzle not accounted for (and get credit for it, nothing comes for free). Also as Feynman use to says, “It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.”. In the case of QSA, I also fully disagree with the statement on molecular superconductivity ( i did 20 years of research in that field ), but on the flip side can also make the strong assertion that there are many other things at play that extend beyond Ohm and Maxwell in electrical conduction, things that electricians never bother with
and shouldn’t have to. The obvious one is that you never obtain electronic conduction in isolation of other side-effects, the most notorious is the material ringing after electrons flow in the wire. These resonances are transported within the wire as a separate flux in parallel to the charge current. They also couple to electrons in several ways, and tune the frequency response in the current dissipation. Seems fancy but is also nothing else than heat transport (or cable heating, hence a limit on gauge to ensure fire safety, measured by the Seebeck coefficient, fun fact it can have different signs at different frequencies so you can have holes carry heat away from your device in the opposite way of your current for low frequencies). One simple realisation is that temperature gradients create an electrical current (Onsager). That’s just one of the many phenomena arising during electronic conduction, you also have charge trapping and scattering with impurities, that defines your impedance (this is why your impedance changes with temperature), or capacity effects if you have an interface with a ferroelectric (Shunyata). All those can be tuned and controlled in many ways and fashion, all changing the physical properties of the conduction. Unless you have a THz spectrometer or ultrafast laser probe, I can’t think of simple ways of measuring those, the timescales are in ns and below. The large gauge will surely help giving wiggle room in how you apply those effects at the material level, and likely has nothing to do with current limiting effects for any gauge below 6-7 AWG (peak current is likely in the 100 of amp already).

 

On the power conditioning, I can also concur with Anas. After using a few of his cables, I did find that the excellent Shunyata Altaira (double stack for analog/digital) flattened the soundstage depth in comparison to his cables. A caveat there is that AC grounding is a two way road by nature and there is always a loss where there is a gain. I have since then let go of the Altaira. It seems the best options is to filter the ground directly with a good cable design instead of adding adhoc grounding links. However I would not forego a conditioner with an EM breaker for peace of mind.

 

Thanks for your post.

Having looked at quite a few basic mains distribution boards, none have the basic design requirements that I would consider appropriate for a decent hifi system.

Strangely, SPD's were not required in UK domestic installations. That may have changed in the last 12 months - I've got an electrician booked in on Thursday to quote to rewire an apartment, I'll ask him.

I read what Vince Galbo has to say. For the 6m from my consumer unit to the hifi wall socket, he recommends standard 10AWG. The NEP-4003 has a higher current rating for its thickness and whilst 13AWG by measurement is close to standard 10AWG current capacity. It also has a drain cable, is much more flexible than similar cable (Belden) I used elsewhere for AV and networking gear:
View attachment 151707
I have a 3-phase 3 x 400v x 100A supply that gives me a total of 69kVA. It's wired as single phase, each line provides 23kVA. The power grid people install this with what looks like 2AWG equivalent cable.
View attachment 151732
So I have a 23kW line dedicated for the hifi and our car charger, the latter used with cheap rate electricity once a week. This is vastly more power than Vince Galbo suggests is needed or typical. If I had a bigger system I'd have put in more than one feed. My Gryphon amp is able to draw 1,900w, consistent with its 8A fuse, which accounts for most of the demand on the 27A rated power line. So at full power it would draw less than 10% of the line power. I bought that amplifier because of its ability to deal with 2.3 ohms impedance in the mid-bass.

This is what I consider a rational approach. I have far more unrestricted power than I need and a completely separate feed for my hifi from the street. Everything is compliant, tested, certified.

The idea of then needing cables for hifi thicker than the main 23kVA feed to accommodate the QSA-L process at say $100,000 (4 x Ultimatum), 4 times the cost to resupply and rewire my entire house - well, it requires a transition from real world electrics to science fiction. I appreciate the hifi argument about the last 6 feet, but for me what has really counted is the first 10m. Besides @Kingrex who does this for a living, it's what Mr Galbo is advocating.

What I don't get, is if this is such game-changing technology, why are they messing around with hifi and not making a fortune in the electrical distribution industry? Until such time as there is some rational science/engineering, it seems to me a case of audiophile groupthink.

I do disagree with you on specifications. I take them very seriously as a primary filter for choices, prior to subjective listening. My speaker frequency response was a preliminary factor (32Hz -3dB is ideal for me), there is no excuse for DACs not having a low noise floor, my amplifier was specifically chosen for the impedance of my speakers, and most recently with a transimpedance phono stage you can't use a cartridge unless it has internal impedance under about 10 ohms. As I'm not an engineer, it has taken me some time to appreciate what measurements and specifications need paying attention to. It's not all just listening.

You portray yourself to be a rational and frugal pragmatist and yet you're as kooky and irrational as the rest of us (said in the best possible way) . Let's face it, the audiophile hobby is an irrational one. I suspect your spouse (provided that your spouse is not also an audiophile) did not think it was rational at all that you would spend $20k rewiring a perfectly good house purely for the sake of listening to music.

Gryphon amplifiers are probably among the least rational things someone could buy. They are large, heavy, expensive, heat up the room, and draw irrational amounts of current even when idle that is not good for the utility bill nor for mother Earth. You can actually find class D amplifiers that measure better and with adequately low impedance...and yet, there's no denying that Gryphons sound incredible.

As for your turntable, how rational is that these days? Compared to digital, they have higher noise floors, more distortion, mechanical noise, wow and flutter, and worse dynamic range and channel separation...and yet they can sound much more organic.

Math can predict what you should like but ultimately, the heart likes what the heart likes. When it comes to the enjoyment of music, claimed objectivists are really subjectivists. They just don't know it.

 

On the power conditioning, I can also concur with Anas. After using a few of his cables, I did find that the excellent Shunyata Altaira (double stack for analog/digital) flattened the soundstage depth in comparison to his cables. A caveat there is that AC grounding is a two way road by nature and there is always a loss where there is a gain. I have since then let go of the Altaira. It seems the best options is to filter the ground directly with a good cable design instead of adding adhoc grounding links. However I would not forego a conditioner with an EM breaker for peace of mind.

Grounding is one of the areas where we have found our treatment to really excel at. Don't be surprised if we come up with our own grounding solution soon.

As for EM breakers, like the circuit breakers in your panel, they protect against over-current conditions and short circuits but they do not offer surge protection (i.e. sudden voltage spikes). EM breakers function like fuses and have amperage ratings while surge protectors have joule ratings and so it's good to be protected against both.

 

Thanks for your post.

Having looked at quite a few basic mains distribution boards, none have the basic design requirements that I would consider appropriate for a decent hifi system.

Strangely, SPD's were not required in UK domestic installations. That may have changed in the last 12 months - I've got an electrician booked in on Thursday to quote to rewire an apartment, I'll ask him.

I read what Vince Galbo has to say. For the 6m from my consumer unit to the hifi wall socket, he recommends standard 10AWG. The NEP-4003 has a higher current rating for its thickness and whilst 13AWG by measurement is close to standard 10AWG current capacity. It also has a drain cable, is much more flexible than similar cable (Belden) I used elsewhere for AV and networking gear:
View attachment 151707
I have a 3-phase 3 x 400v x 100A supply that gives me a total of 69kVA. It's wired as single phase, each line provides 23kVA. The power grid people install this with what looks like 2AWG equivalent cable.
View attachment 151732
So I have a 23kW line dedicated for the hifi and our car charger, the latter used with cheap rate electricity once a week. This is vastly more power than Vince Galbo suggests is needed or typical. If I had a bigger system I'd have put in more than one feed. My Gryphon amp is able to draw 1,900w, consistent with its 8A fuse, which accounts for most of the demand on the 27A rated power line.

What I don't get, is if this is such game-changing technology, why are they messing around with hifi and not making a fortune in the electrical distribution industry? Until such time as there is some rational science/engineering, it seems to me a case of audiophile groupthink.

That's a good point. Shunyata sells the majority of their products to labs and hospitals. Not audio. Because it has benefits that can be measured. I wouldn't waste my money on expensive esoteric cable behind the wall. Shunyata and Audio Quest grain orient the wire in their cables. I did the same with THHN wire for behind the wall. Some use high purity wire in their cables. I looked into it. To expensive . About $1M for a 70,000 foot spool. To rich for my blood.
Vince does go larger in gauge than I do. One client said he liked it much larger. #6 in the USA in 120 volt for a MSB amp. I have not tried it. I tried #8. Still, regular supply house #6 in a pipe or non metallic jacket is far less money than esoteric wire with no scientific backing.

IF I were wiring my house, I would try #10 everywhere and an additional pair of #6 to the amps. Just to have the opportunity to try either and decide what sounds best. Its not that much to run a couple extra branch wires. Probably 3 hours time per run plus materials.

If you want to mess with a QSA outlet, have at it. I go Furutec now. Or any other that is a pure copper outlet with or without a plating such as Rhodium or Gold.

With a good outlet, I believe it is going to come down to what metals are touching each other. I have no opinion on power cables as I have not tried many. And never will. I make a lot of my cables by hard wiring MTW stranded from the wall to the female end going to the equipment. Darn good performance. Or I am using a cable made by the person who made my amps. I believe he uses a quality Military Spec wire he found some time back. Geometry and cryo treatments make a difference.

 

All, this is a Manufacturers, Dealers and Distributors forum. Therefore, more scrutiny will be taken when drifting off topic. The WBF would like to keep a friendly relationship between both members and all of the aforementioned, therefore, we do ask that you remain on topic.

Let's please keep the discussion focused to QSA products only.

Thank you for your cooperation.