Terrj, not interested in debating this silly black & white polarised version of the world you are putting up as a strawman argument.
jerkn, really?
You mean I was imagining you have been most vociferous in this thread and any other thread which attempts to show we hear things we cannot measure?? These are the things you have no wish to debate?
Well blow me down.
Strawman?, well it's damned cold here lately so I wish I had me a bunch of those pesky strawmen set up by the original article, I'd be as warm as toast all winter. Now, if you have been unable to follow or understand the twist recently, it would be my pleasure to explain it slowly to you.
'ere we go. Manufacturing tolerances are so sloppy and quality control procedures are so poorly carried out that we can get completely different sounds from dac chips of the same batch. This, it seems, in not in dispute. (cept a few of *us* are disputing it)
These easily heard audible differences are simply NOT picked up by the current technological measurements, which is assumed are within tolerances and gain the 'acceptable' mark. That led to the situation where measurements that ARE observably different should logically lead to even more easily heard differences.
That position is what you are now attempting to evade by labeling it a strawman. I'll just go and have a quick peek to see if the mere act of you labeling it something changed it in any way....
.....hi, back. Nope, sorry, it did not change at all. Oh well.
Taking that logical position further, it led to me asking if those that easily hear differences between gear that cannot be measured can hear the difference between their left or right speaker (and make no mistake, it IS entirely feasible depending on the quality of the speakers).
Can you? (Here's an interesting one, what if you did this experiment and DID hear differences between your left and right speakers...what would you (anyone, not just john) do? Shrug and put them back? Put them back and have it slowly start to gnaw at you? At least measure them and see what is up? I'm interested in how people would react)
Can you also hear the differences between left and right channel of your amp? The dac you sell? How close are the measurements between those two channels?
Yes, audiophiles (on both sides) are full of hyperbole & over-statement, much like any other fanatical hobbyists.
Thankyou, we have been asking this for quite a few pages now, you are the first (to date the only) to admit that. Yep, you are right too, it is on both sides.
It's simple, really, you can't correlate measurements with what is heard yet you make claims that everything that is heard can be measured. So you can't back up your claim.
Correct, I can't prove it. It is a working hypothesis, a starting point for examination.
YOU however, can prove it wrong. Willing to give it a go?
A Mexican stand-off, it would seem! Until one of these two claims can be proven it's a senseless waste of time & energy.
Seems to be yes, unless we can get someone to step up to the plate.